Atheists err when asking for material evidence to prove God's existence

[The King]

"Experts" is a subjective term, which is often given by those who accept what they are told is true without themselves having any personal experience in the matter.

[Maddhattter]

"Experts" is a subjective term, which is often given by those who accept what they are told is true without themselves having any personal experience in the matter.

I'll agree that who is an expert on what is subjective, which is why I qualified my usage of the word as those "who use independently verifiable evidence". That way you would be able to understand how I was using the word.

I'll also agree that a certain level of trust must be had in the people doing the research in some of the more complex and less understood sciences. This is why science has a peer review process. That way others, in any scientific discipline, can test hypotheses and verify results. However, the process as it stands has proven itself to be self-correcting and has produced all the technology that we rely on every day. So, scientists have, in my opinion, more than earned that trust.

The rest of your statement is an unsupported assertion in regard to the usage of the word expert.

Regardless, your response seems to be nothing more than a red herring. If I replaced every instance of “experts” with “scientists who use independently verifiable evidence” my post would still stand on its own and still be just as accurate.

[jdgregory84]

So,how would those who believe that a singularity existed explain its origin

It's like explaining the origin of god. No believer knows the origin of god just as no believer knows the origin of the big bang or the singularity which it came from. Science, tries to prove what happened since to better understand the beginning when religion, regardless of what religion just says that it is and that's how it is without providing an explanation.

[The King]

It's like explaining the origin of god. No believer knows the origin of god just as no believer knows the origin of the big bang or the singularity which it came from. Science, tries to prove what happened since to better understand the beginning when religion, regardless of what religion just says that it is and that's how it is without providing an explanation.

No (Christian or Jewish) believer feels the need to know the origin of God, as it is more than enough for us to know He is always there for us. Nothing wrong with scientific pursuits, but they will forever be subject to the limitations of mankind. Not so with God.

[lowthreeohz]

No (Christian or Jewish) believer feels the need to know the origin of God, as it is more than enough for us to know He is always there for us. Nothing wrong with scientific pursuits, but they will forever be subject to the limitations of mankind. Not so with God.

I disagree that no Christian or Jew feels the need to identify the origin of god.. in fact i believe that pursuit is what drives many of us away from organized religion.

If our life/existence is evidence of the necessity of a god, wouldn't his presence dictate the same? wouldn't you like to know if there is another "god" that is of higher power.. and if so why would you want to worship the middle-management one?

[The King]

I disagree that no Christian or Jew feels the need to identify the origin of god.. in fact i believe that pursuit is what drives many of us away from organized religion.

If our life/existence is evidence of the necessity of a god, wouldn't his presence dictate the same? wouldn't you like to know if there is another "god" that is of higher power.. and if so why would you want to worship the middle-management one?

Note that I posted Christian or Jewish "believer" feels the need to identify the origins of God. They (we) know that He has always been and always will be.

There is also absolutely no reason not to look outside of organized religion in order to learn about God and His presence.

[jdgregory84]

Note that I posted Christian or Jewish "believer" feels the need to identify the origins of God. They (we) know that He has always been and always will be.

There is also absolutely no reason not to look outside of organized religion in order to learn about God and His presence.

Which tells us that ignorance is bliss when it comes to religion.

[The King]

You are confusing relligion with relationship with the Creator.

Is believing that man has the origin of the universe all figured out by proposing the existence of a "singularity" which can not be seen, quantified, or even described beyond weasel words like "transient" or "infinitely dense" perhaps ignorance? It must comfort some to think that mankind is so capable.