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Mine was in jest and I'm pretty sure the comment was fabricated since Zeppelin would actually be in the "L" category. He's just trying to relate to as many people as possible. Just like how Biden tried with the "chains" comment. Goes both ways. -
Biden is going to look like an asshole in the debates.Comment
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Reddit is blowing up with stories about all the lies in the speech last night. Of course, they are VERY far left, and attempt to castrate anyone who isn't. But there must be 250 stories from different media outlets about all the lies, and about a third of them reference this article from Fox.
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Sally Kohn (the "contributing writer") is a left wing hack. Fox pays her for her tripe as cannon fodder. Most of her work is with the Washington Post and MSNBC. I guess that's my "discussion".Originally posted by bcoop View PostReddit is blowing up with stories about all the lies in the speech last night. Of course, they are VERY far left, and attempt to castrate anyone who isn't. But there must be 250 stories from different media outlets about all the lies, and about a third of them reference this article from Fox.
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At least one of the facts being called false is actually true:Originally posted by bcoop View PostReddit is blowing up with stories about all the lies in the speech last night. Of course, they are VERY far left, and attempt to castrate anyone who isn't. But there must be 250 stories from different media outlets about all the lies, and about a third of them reference this article from Fox.
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"Actually, those “facts” aren’t quite accurate, either. As the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reported in September of last year — long before Ryan got added to the ticket — the Janesville plant got shut down in 2009, after being notified of their pending closure in December 2008:"
As for the writer of that article, read this on the democratic underground.
"http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021232694
"xxxx: Nice try - yes Sally Kohn is on Fox but she's a liberal and a biased one at that; she's not a journalist, she's a commentator and she's on Fox to present things in that Fox fair and balanced way. Also Ryan didn't blame Obama for closing the Janesville plant - yes Obama supporters will say that over and over - he blamed Obama for saying 1) Government aid could keep it open - it didn't and 2) for the fact that despite all the stimulus monies spent today Janesville GM plant is till closed, nothing was done to repurpose it or set a foundation down to put a path in place for the folks who used to have jobs to get jobs. The fact he stated is today, despite 3 1/2 years of being in power 1 year of which the Democrats controlled both the Legislative and executive branches - 23 million are wither unemployed or underemployed. I haven't fact checked that yet but that's the one number that should make or break reelection of President Obama in my view. As for Ms. Kohn the author you are citing here's her bio on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Kohn
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Which means Barry told them the "bail-out" would save the plant.Originally posted by mikec View PostComment
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Hell, even with the limited amount I keep track if this stuff; that article comes across hilariously desperate. I miss Hunter S. Thompsons school of journalism.Comment
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I was more speaking to it being a Fox journalist. I haven't done any digging to see if what was said was actually true.Originally posted by talisman View PostOriginally posted by BradMOriginally posted by LeahComment
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They should let Ryan debate Obama and Biden at the same time and leave Romney on the tour bus. His mom looks like she's a cool mom.
I was sure Obama would get the re-election but with Ryan's slick talking there might be a change in drapery soon.
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A lot of people (here on this board) will say the VP has little or no impact on presidential elections. This will be a good test for that opinion.Originally posted by RCITNet View PostComment
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There were some great speaches given the last few days. It gives me hope that we will have a change come November. They happened to mention at the end last night that the polls shows Obbumer and Romney even in the polls.Comment
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Again, she's not a "real" journalist.Originally posted by bcoop View Post
"If media "fact checkers" are just impartial guardians of the truth, how come they got their own facts wrong about Paul Ryan's speech, and did so in a way that helped President Obama's re-election effort?
Case in point was the rush of "fact check" stories claiming Ryan misled when he talked about a shuttered auto plant in his home state.
Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler posted a piece — "Ryan misleads on GM plant closing in hometown" — saying Ryan "appeared to suggest" that Obama was responsible for the closure of a GM plant in Janesville, Wis.
"That's not true," Kessler said. "The plant was closed in December 2008, before Obama was sworn in."
What's not true are Kessler's "facts." Ryan didn't suggest Obama was responsible for shuttering the plant. Instead, he correctly noted that Obama promised during the campaign that the troubled plant "will be here for another hundred years" if his policies were enacted.
Also, the plant didn't close in December 2008. It was still producing cars until April 2009.
An AP "fact check" also claimed that "the plant halted production in December 2008" even though the AP itself reported in April 2009 that the plant was only then "closing for good."
CNN's John King made the same claim about that plant closure. But when CNN looked more carefully at the evidence, it — to its credit — concluded that what Ryan said was "true."
Media fact-checkers also complained about Ryan's charge that Obama is cutting $716 billion from Medicare to fund ObamaCare. Not true, they said. Medicare's growth is just being slowed.
But Obama achieves that slower growth by making real cuts in provider payments. And in any case, the media always and everywhere call a reduction in the rate of federal spending growth a "cut." So why suddenly charge Ryan with being misleading for using that same term?
In any case, Obama himself admitted that he's doing what Ryan says. In a November 2009 interview with ABC News, reporter Jake Tapper said to Obama that "one-third of the funding comes from cuts to Medicare," to which Obama's response was: "Right."
The rest of Ryan's alleged factual errors aren't errors at all; it's just that the media didn't like how he said it. But since when is it a fact-checker's job to decide how a politician should construct his arguments?
This isn't to say that journalists shouldn't check facts. Of course they should.
The problem is that the mainstream press is now abusing the "fact check" label, using it to more aggressively push a liberal agenda without feeling the need to provide any balance whatsoever. And, as the reaction to the Ryan speech shows, they are now blatantly using it to provide air support for Obama.
Is it any wonder that soon after Ryan's speech ended, the Obama campaign rushed out an ad using the media's "fact check" stories as its source?"
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I heard this morning that Romney got a 6 point bump from the convention, and he's up 2 points. Barry could very well get a bump, too, although they mentioned that John Kerry saw a 1 point drop after the 2004 convention.Originally posted by line-em-up View PostComment
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