War Profiteering?

[Forever_frost]

Yeah, the PTSD comment came from a thread I was just reading in the Smack.

I agree that PTSD needs more awareness. But I don't think comments about you not getting in fights because you would kill someone are the best avenue to garner that awareness. Nor is DFWMustangs the best venue....

In the post I quoted, I've done all you mentioned save for get the medal. And I still don't believe all of this is justified. Especially after he's tried to make it right. It's all based off a lack of education and understanding of a simple word, "veteran". You didn't use your service in a means that was pertinent to the conversation, you used it as an ad hominem attempt to discredit DamonH's disagreement.

No, I was asked why I take it personally. I explained. Seeing a 18-21 year old kid wearing a shirt with a purple heart on it, without earning said heart is a smack in the face for everyone who has ever earned it, from the days when Washington established it forward. In order to earn it, you have to bleed. I'd feel the same way if one of his shirts had a MOH or the Bronze Star. Those medals should not be reproduced in a manner that cheapens them, and the department of Heraldry agrees with me. If he did remove that shirt from his lineup and keeps it removed then things settle down a bit. He's still a douche however.

As far as the Smack conversation, it was an explaination of why I avoid violence and conflict. I never said I'd kill anyone, I said I have to remind myself this is not an instance where I have to resort to life or death tactics. Or actually, I believe the words I used was "I have to remind myself of the same thing."

[RCITNet]

Its a purple heart medal and not even a direct copy of the medal.



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[Slowhand]

No, I was asked why I take it personally. I explained. Seeing a 18-21 year old kid wearing a shirt with a purple heart on it, without earning said heart is a smack in the face for everyone who has ever earned it, from the days when Washington established it forward. In order to earn it, you have to bleed. I'd feel the same way if one of his shirts had a MOH or the Bronze Star. Those medals should not be reproduced in a manner that cheapens them, and the department of Heraldry agrees with me. If he did remove that shirt from his lineup and keeps it removed then things settle down a bit. He's still a douche however.

As far as the Smack conversation, it was an explaination of why I avoid violence and conflict. I never said I'd kill anyone, I said I have to remind myself this is not an instance where I have to resort to life or death tactics. Or actually, I believe the words I used was "I have to remind myself of the same thing."

What if he were a 22-48 year old man?

[Forever_frost]

What if he were a 22-48 year old man?

If he didn't earn it, he should explain that and why he's marketing the Marine Corps camo pattern to, since he's in San Diego, those nice Jarheads over there.

[Forever_frost]

Its a purple heart medal and not even a direct copy of the medal.



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Law I posted said color reproduction. Looks like the purple heart, thus, it's covered by the law. Which is probably why, if he actually followed through this time, he yanked it. His attorney probably said "Dude, that's federal law. Pull it."

[exlude]

No, I was asked why I take it personally. I explained.

Uh, no, you weren't asked why you take it personally. You used your service exactly as a said you did in response to this post:

Doesn't seem to be that big of deal to me either - especially not worthy of death threats. His biggest problem is that his designs look like shit IMO. He didn't attempt to hide the fact that he wasn't military. In retrospect he's probably thinking he should have brought on a partner who was to avoid this shit. He's just trying to sell shirts to a target audience. I'm also betting he's not exactly balling, so used himself to model the purple heart shirt. I don't think he's walking around town wearing it pretending to be some "war hero".

Not a single question in that post, let alone one addressing you.

Seeing a 18-21 year old kid wearing a shirt with a purple heart on it, without earning said heart is a smack in the face for everyone who has ever earned it, from the days when Washington established it forward. In order to earn it, you have to bleed. I'd feel the same way if one of his shirts had a MOH or the Bronze Star. Those medals should not be reproduced in a manner that cheapens them, and the department of Heraldry agrees with me. If he did remove that shirt from his lineup and keeps it removed then things settle down a bit. He's still a douche however.

I bet Electronic Arts just infuriates you. They are making money off the Medal of Honor! And they don't give money to veterans for doing so. We should contact the Department of Heraldry.

You realize that the Department of Heraldry you consistently fall back on is actually the US Army Institute of Heraldry and yep, you guessed it, they are speaking in a very limited context. Your argument is similar to taking the definition of a word at the beginning of a legal document and arguing it here.

Further, the section of 18 USC § 704 that you continually reference went away when it was deemed unconstitutional to tell people what they can and can't wear. Further, it applies to imitations or forgeries of medals without the authorization of Congress. Obviously not applicable to printing a medal on a t-shirt.

As far as the Smack conversation, it was an explaination of why I avoid violence and conflict. I never said I'd kill anyone, I said I have to remind myself this is not an instance where I have to resort to life or death tactics. Or actually, I believe the words I used was "I have to remind myself of the same thing."

And damn near everyday you are sure to remind everyone on this forum that you have PTSD and are a veteran.

[exlude]

Law I posted said color reproduction. Looks like the purple heart, thus, it's covered by the law. Which is probably why, if he actually followed through this time, he yanked it. His attorney probably said "Dude, that's federal law. Pull it."

Supreme Court precedent disagrees with you, but hey, you can burn your money and try that argument in court if you want....

[slow99]

This is why some people have law degrees so that laws can be interpreted correctly.

Wait just a damned minute. Frost isn't an attorney specializing in Constitutional Law?

[RCITNet]

Law I posted said color reproduction. Looks like the purple heart, thus, it's covered by the law. Which is probably why, if he actually followed through this time, he yanked it. His attorney probably said "Dude, that's federal law. Pull it."

Law you posted was the one that had parts of it struck down by the supreme court. Here is the correct one:

(a) In General. - Whoever knowingly wears, manufactures, or sells
any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces
of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges
awarded to the members of such forces, or the ribbon, button, or
rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable
imitation thereof, except when authorized under regulations made
pursuant to law, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not
more than six months, or both.
(b) Congressional Medal of Honor. -
(1) In general. - If a decoration or medal involved in an
offense under subsection (a) is a Congressional Medal of Honor,
in lieu of the punishment provided in that subsection, the
offender shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more
than 1 year, or both.
(2) Definitions. - (A) As used in subsection (a) with respect
to a Congressional Medal of Honor, "sells" includes trades,
barters, or exchanges for anything of value.
(B) As used in this subsection, "Congressional Medal of Honor"
means -
(i) a medal of honor awarded under section 3741, 6241, or
8741 of title 10 or section 491 of title 14;
(ii) a duplicate medal of honor issued under section 3754,
6256, or 8754 of title 10 or section 504 of title 14; or
(iii) a replacement of a medal of honor provided under
section 3747, 6253, or 8747 of title 10 or section 501 of title
14.

For the sake of your argument and in the hopes that maybe you'll go take your misguided rant some where else please see the following:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s3372/text

[RCITNet]

And for my own pleasure:

http://www1.cuny.edu/mu/law/2012/07/02/jonathan-libby-96-wins-supreme-court-case/

http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-16339-combat-wounded-purple-heart-t-shirt.aspx?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&cvsfa=2951&cvsfe=2&cvsfhu=3736322d3530312d3435372d4d

http://www.lapolicegear.com/ru-ru739-purple-heart.html?Size=2XLarge

http://www.zazzle.com/purple_heart_sticker-217887053566948351

http://www.zazzle.com/purple_heart_sm_tee_shirts-235069469390467848

http://www.cafepress.com/mf/17959785/order-of-the-purple-heart-ash-grey-tshirt_tshirt

Now these companies may not be owned by Asians but I'm sure their shirts were made in China.

[Forever_frost]

Combat Clothing Company’ Reaches Out To Wannabes, Former Varsity Jocks

by Paul on August 24, 2012 · 11 comments
Combat Clothing Company

Combat Clothing Company

San Diego, CA – A new clothing company which calls itself “Combat Clothing”, based in southern California, has recently come under fire from numerous military veterans organizations. The company, which bills itself as a “streetwear and urban apparel” brand, often adopts military themes in its clothing styles.

Veterans organizations, such as Guardian of Valor, have blasted the company — which has no ties to the military — for attempting to profit off the use of a military-specific word.

“I feel that everyone has been in combat in some form or fashion,” said Billy Wong, the CEO of Combat Clothing. “I may not have been in the military and experienced being shot at, but I have experienced verbal combat in arguments with my girlfriend, and I played Mortal Kombat in an arcade a couple of times.”

“Not to mention I’m a Level 55 Commander in Call of Duty,” he added.

Combat Clothing seeks to unite groups that have been in life or death struggles throughout the globe — such as football players, musicians, artists, and skateboarders. Some of their styles include the phrases, “Shoot Me”, “Combat Hardened”, and “I’ve Been In Combat, Please Pay For My Meal.”

Although they also welcome military veterans to wear their clothing, many detractors have said that’s only a good idea “if they want to look like a douchebag.”

“This oxygen thief is basically profiting off of veterans who have actually been in combat,” said Ralph Anderson, an Army veteran of Afghanistan. “It’s absolutely despicable. Combat is a very specific word that pertains to military service. Period.”

Responding to the criticism, Wong consulted a dictionary to further prove his case.

“The definition of combat in the dictionary says ‘to fight or battle’, like a disease, or ‘combat crime’,” said Wong. “It also mentions military service but it’s pretty obvious that combat can pertain to everyone.”

“Doctors have been in firefights with cells, as they combat diseases. Skateboarders are dealing with improvised explosive rocks that flip them off their boards on the street. It’s a stressful combat scenario, and our clothing reflects that,” Wong said.

With the Supreme Court striking down the Stolen Valor Act, most fans felt it was a perfect time for the company to launch.

Hot on the heels of the popularity of camouflage and other “military-inspired” clothing, other companies are even launching similar styles. Cashing in on a growing trend, apparel companies have released “year-round Halloween costumes” as general fashion for men with weak senses of identity, and no accomplishments of their own to advertise.

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[RCITNet]

I hope that wasn't meant to further your stance because it does the opposite.

[Forever_frost]

You really can't tell when I'm relaxing on a subject can you? That's the duffleblog. It's the onion for military

[Jester]

And here is the owner of the company wearing a medal I earned:

No dissrespect for even a second.....BUT, I am gonna fuck with you.............purple heart=enemy marksmanship badge! hehehehehehehehehe







you know you laughed. lol

Nigga, you should have zigged instead of zaggin!

[Forever_frost]

No dissrespect for even a second.....BUT, I am gonna fuck with you.............purple heart=enemy marksmanship badge! hehehehehehehehehe







you know you laughed. lol

Nigga, you should have zigged instead of zaggin!

Jester, remind me to dig up the Time article where I called it that. My chain of command was pissed.