Fmr. Marine Arrested by FBI for Patriotic Facebook Posts

[Forever_frost]

I understand your request completely. Muslim faith does not change or get re-written as Christianity did and still does. Naturally, more peace is going to come from a religion that adjusts to society. Whereas the former sees Christianity as going against the only teachings they're ever offered.

If the two "main" religions had not parted in their similar walks of life the deaths would never end. They are from the same idea, just translated differently. Lucky for us, Christianity made it here before it's sister.

OOOoooo.... Look, 89gt-stanger, I found a way to be respectful while still signifying my disdain for them.

Hell, if Mohammad the pedophile hadn't bastardized Islam, you'd have a peaceful religion

[Nash B.]

Again, tell me of Christians killing anyone for their faith or lack of it.

The Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition?

[jyro]

I guess you didn't read this part

The Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition?

Show me where Christianity in this day and age, is cutting the heads off athiests and Muslims. Show me where Christianity is a political force.

[Snatch Napkin]

FWIW, it happened in Africa in the mid 90's.

I didn't really feel like it fit into "this day and age", though. Regardless of the re-emergence of 90's fashion.

[Forever_frost]

The Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition?

Which were...around when again? I can point out last week. What do you have?

[RCITNet]

I've been in Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa and few other stops along the way. I might know a thing or two about Muslim culture as well.

Muslim is the fasting growing religion at present. All Muslims are not the same so please tell me how Chinese Muslims are the same as the TERRORISTS you continue to describe.

The Qur'an has changed over the years just as the Bible has. The written Arabic language of the Qur'an is unreadable, no one speaks that dialect anymore so it has been misinterpreted many times over.


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[Forever_frost]

If they follow the Koran as it's written, they are terrorists. Simple. The Koran has gotten even more hateful with it's constant updates

[Osiris]

If they follow the Koran as it's written, they are terrorists. Simple. The Koran has gotten even more hateful with it's constant updates

So any Muslim who follows the Quran is a terrorist?

[jyro]

read the Quran and decide for yourself

So any Muslim who follows the Quran is a terrorist?

you can't compare it to the old testiment either, no Christian is told they must follow old testiment teachings to get into heaven.

I have read enough of the Quran to agree with Frost. The ones here that claim to be peaceful, are only hiding their real feelings and that is allowed in the Quran to decieve infadels but they have no other choice by the Quran but to convert us to Islam or kill us eventually.

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.

here's a few passages you can look up just for context:
Quran (2:191-193)
Quran (2:244)
Quran (2:216)
Quran (3:151)
Quran (4:74)
Quran (4:76)
Quran (4:89)
Quran (4:95)
Quran (4:104)
Quran (5:33)
Quran (8:15)
Quran (8:39)
Quran (8:57)
Quran (8:65)
Quran (9:5)
Quran (9:14)
Quran (9:29) Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

there are more than I could list here. the last one is a good one to read

this is what they are told if they question it

http://muslimvillage.com/forums/topic/66598-compulsion-in-religion/

[jyro]

compare that to what Christians are taught to enter heaven

Love God with your whole heart, with your whole soul, with your whole mind and with your whole strength.

Love your fellowmen like you love yourself.

This is all that's required, no war or killing or converting others and we all are equal in Gods eyes.

[jryotas]

Wow , this thread went to shit .... On another note , there has been good news . A Circuit Judge has ordered Raub be released as he was detained illegally

[Forever_frost]

So any Muslim who follows the Quran is a terrorist?

Yes. Have you read it? Sat down and read it. Word for word.

[Forever_frost]

I hope he sues the ever loving FUCK out of the police, the secret service the FBI and anyone who touched him.

[Forever_frost]

DALLAS, August 23rd, 2012 - After a special hearing today, Circuit Judge W. Allan Sharret declared the commitment order granted to federal authorities for Brandon Raub’s arrest and detainment was invalid.

Raub, the 26-year-old former Marine, pro-liberty activist and Virginia resident, was seized by FBI, Secret Service and local authorities over Facebook posts allegedly “terrorist in nature”.

According to court documents, a swift evaluation by social worker Michael Campbell determined Raub’s involuntary admission. The following day, a magistrate Michael S. Znotens ordered his detention at John Randolph Hospital. Raub was evaluated for an additional 15 minutes by Dr. James A. Correll and later ordered by Special Justice Walter Douglass Stoke to remain for 30 days at VA Hospital in Salem, VA.

John Whitehead of The Rutherford Institute, a Virginia-based civil rights organization, rushed to Raub’s defense, filing multiple motions later denied, including a plea preventing Raub’s transfer away from family and legal counsel. Once denied, another appeal noting Raub’s initial detention orders did not follow the law Chesterfield PD was filed.

Judge Sharret agreed the arrest and detention actions were illegal and will request Raub’s discharge. As the Richmond-Times Dispatch reports, he was shocked by the failure of the magistrate to include in the order any grounds for holding Raub.

“The initial order was rubber-stamped”, says John Whitehead. "The special justice is very old. He had trouble hearing Brandon. He brought into the courtroom a personal cassette player – we tried to listen to it and you can hardly hear what's being said. This is the so-called judge – he's a lawyer, not a real judge – it's like what you would see in a bad movie."

“There's a system here that is corrupt. And this guy is caught in it," Whitehead told Business Insider. "I'm friends with the local police; I could call them right now and probably get you committed if you were in Virginia. They can arrive at your door based on somebody's testimony or your Facebook page and take you away to a mental hospital.”

Whitehead stated that 20,000 people are committed under similar circumstances in Virginia annually. “That means a lot of people are disappearing under the pretext of mental illness”.

Many of Raub’s posts were controversial, including forecasting a popular revolution against the federal government, anti-establishment statements and pro-conspiracy remarks. But authorities claimed concerned citizens anonymously reported Raub’s statements while Whitehead clarified the statements “terrorist in nature” were out-of-context messages shared privately via a Facebook game Raub played with siblings, which the FBI spied on.

As Whitehead told Virginia’s NBC 12, "Quoting some lyrics from a rock group called 'Swollen Members' they were joking around. His brother and his sister and that's it and that's why he's in this situation. All he was doing was expressing himself in a Facebook game.” Whitehead’s clarifications were ignored by federal and judicial authorities.

Usually apolitical Americans mobilized with veterans and activists in defense of Raub’s First Amendment rights, contacting his state and federal legislators consistently since the saga began. Many join his council believing Raub was targeted by overzealous, illegal police action.

Tristan Tucker, a libertarian activist and veteran believes Raub’s arrest was an important reminder that the First Amendment is the cornerstone of American freedom:

“I think it's disgusting. This guy posted some conspiracy theory-esque posts and intimidated the Feds. So I think he either was targeted for terror suspicion anyway or he hit close to home with his accusations. Either way, I have been expecting this for some time, since DHS put out that memorandum last year saying that right-wing leaning veterans that vocally dissent should be considered terror suspects.”

Supporters that organized online are elated and thankful to the public for rallying to Raub’s defense, which they believe sets a precedent that federal authorities do not have unchecked power.

“I think I speak for us all when I say that we couldn't be happier. I hope this decision sticks. I personally plan to stay vigilant about topics like this, so a similar incident doesn't occur again. Brandon is a true patriot and we are all so very proud of him and glad to hear of his release,” said leaders of the Brandon Raub Truth Investigation group.

Another commenter agreed, “They saw a storm coming and backed off. The Bill of Rights is not negotiable. It’s amazing what happens when the people read, listen and speak out.”

Updates are expected to develop. Check back with Communities @WashingtonTimes.com as details emerge.

[Jr347]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Brandon-Raub/269476319829553?ref=stream