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  • Here's Your Gun Control Rebuttal For the Day

    Don't know what the fuck this website is, but it inadvertently (probably against the writers own political opinion) provides a very telling case against gun control.

    The aftermath of the movie theater shooting in Colorado that claimed the lives of 12 people brought out once again the familiar calls for greater gun control and national reflection to determine what could have triggered such a shocking act of violence. These types of harrowing incidents often tend to produce legitimate collective soul searching, which sometimes even manifests in effective legislation to prevent similar crimes from occurring in the future.

    However, as heinous as the Colorado shooting was, viewed on its own it is worth noting that in terms of scale it pales in comparison to the near-industrial-level killing that regularly ravages much of inner-city America; in particular the city of Chicago, which has been grappling with years of protracted violence that has produced numbers of dead and wounded more appropriate to an active war zone than a major American city. Since 2001, more than 5,000 people have been killed by gunfire in the streets of Chicago, a staggering number that is more than double the number of American soldiers who have been killed fighting in Afghanistan during the same period. The majority of the violence has been attributed to gang rivalries that have escalated into open warfare, and as in any war innocent civilians have often borne a disproportionate share of the suffering.

    On June 27, Heaven Sutton, a 7-year-old who had just completed the second grade, was shot to death outside her family’s west-side Chicago home after being hit by a barrage of bullets intended for a gang member. Heaven was killed at the lemonade stand her mother had helped her set up on their front lawn, and instead of going on the trip to Disney World her family had planned she is now counted among the many innocent children who have been killed by gunfire in Chicago over the past decade.

    “I’m tired of hearing children terrorized that can’t go on their front porch, can’t go in their yard, can’t go on the playground to play,” said Father Michael Pfleger of St. Sabina’s Roman Catholic Church at a recent rally to raise awareness of the spiraling increase in violence. As he spoke, demonstrators wearing white T-shirts with red stains lay prone on the ground in imitation of gunshot victims, while Pfleger decried the “Wild West” environment that had descended upon this Midwestern city.
    The city is suffering one of the worst plagues of gang violence in recent history. Why is no one paying attention?


    My immediate thought ran to the UK, which has the highest violent crime rate in the EU despite their extra strict gun control laws. They have a slightly different problem from Chicago in that they do actually have very little gun violence, but that's clearly been pushed towards other forms of violence.

    Obviously, most of you already knew this, but given the current political climate is nice to have some specific, moderately (generally) well-regarded sources to pull from, so I dug this article out of my archive.

    Originally posted by Dailymail.co.uk
    Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

    Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

    The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

    The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.
    In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.

    The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:
    • The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
    • It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
    • The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
    • It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.


    But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents. In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

    The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.
    Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

    'We're now on our fourth Home Secretary this parliament, and all we are getting is a rehash of old initiatives that didn't work the first time round. More than ever Britain needs a change of direction.'

    The figures, compiled by the Tories, are considered the most accurate and up-to-date available.
    But criminologists say crime figures can be affected by many factors, including different criminal justice systems and differences in how crime is reported and measured.

    New Home Secretary Alan Johnson is to make his first major speech on crime today
    In Britain, an affray is considered a violent crime, while in other countries it will only be logged if a person is physically injured.
    There are also degrees of violence. While the UK ranks above South Africa for all violent crime, South Africans suffer more than 20,000 murders each year - compared with Britain's 921 in 2007.

    Experts say there are a number of reasons why violence is soaring in the UK. These include Labour's decision to relax the licensing laws to allow round-the-clock opening, which has led to a rise in the number of serious assaults taking place in the early hours of the morning.
    But Police Minister David Hanson said: 'These figures are misleading. Levels of police recorded crime statistics from different countries are simply not comparable since they are affected by many factors, for example the recording of violent crime in other countries may not include behaviour that we would categorise as violent crime.

    'Violent crime in England and Wales has fallen by almost a half a peak in 1995 but we are not complacent and know there is still work to do. That is why last year we published 'Saving lives. Reducing harm. Protecting the public. An Action Plan for Tackling Violence 2008-11'.'

    The timing of the Europe-wide violence figures is a blow for Mr Johnson, who will today seek to reassert Labour's law and order credentials.
    In his first major speech on crime since becoming Home Secretary, Mr Johnson is expected to promise a concerted crack down on antisocial behaviour.
    He wants to set up a website to allow the public to see what is taking place in their neighbourhood, such as the number of louts who have been served with Asbos. Mr Johnson is also known to support early intervention to stop children going off the rails.
    Last edited by Slowhand; 07-30-2012, 07:26 PM.

  • #2
    I should offer my services as Home Secretary
    I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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    • #3
      They always point out "gun crimes" have went down. No shit Sherlock GUN CRIME went down because there's fewer guns (seems like simple math) but violent crime goes way up because what do the criminals have to fear? In the UK if you defend yourself against a criminal you are more likely to go to jail than he/she is.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Downs View Post
        They always point out "gun crimes" have went down. No shit Sherlock GUN CRIME went down because there's fewer guns (seems like simple math) but violent crime goes way up because what do the criminals have to fear? In the UK if you defend yourself against a criminal you are more likely to go to jail than he/she is.
        Very true. Even if you eliminate their lack of fear of you defending yourself, it just goes to show that if they want to commit a crime then they're going to commit a crime.

        Lest we forget that Columbine occurred during the AWB. If you want to kill, destroy, or otherwise wreak havoc, you're going to do so regardless of the tools available to you.

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        • #5
          Here's another with a tie to the Colorado shooting, the young lady from SA that died had also survived a shooting in Toronto, Canada and their gun rights make ours look awesome.
          "It's another burrito, it's a cold Lone Star in my hand!"

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          • #6
            Guess they dont care if they get stabbed they just dont want to get shot

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dee View Post
              Here's another with a tie to the Colorado shooting, the young lady from SA that died had also survived a shooting in Toronto, Canada and their gun rights make ours look awesome.

              I had to look this up. She just left the mall before the other shooting.

              One of the 12 people reportedly killed in a mass shooting at a screening of the latest Batman movie in Denver was at the Eaton Centre in Toronto on June 2 moments before a gunman opened fire in the mall's busy food court.

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