Iran: With our missles, we can hit 34 US bases within minutes.

[CJ]

We are pushing Iran into a corner here. It is only natural that they repond with threats. Sanctions are an act of war. There are terrorist groups in Iran funded by us have killed innocent Iranians, blown up military installations, etc. We are polarizing the entire nation against us.

Please shut the fuck up.

[majorownage]

Please shut the fuck up you dumb shit.

Great response. But you know that what I said is true.

Iranians are reasonable people who want to be left alone and live their life; they don't want a war. But the more provoke them, the more they will support their crazy ass governing officials.

[racrguy]

Great response. But you know that what I said is true.

Iranians are reasonable people who want to be left alone and live their life; they don't want a war. But the more provoke them, the more they will support their crazy ass governing officials.

Infowars man strikes again!

[Forever_frost]

We are pushing Iran into a corner here. It is only natural that they repond with threats. Sanctions are an act of war. There are terrorist groups in Iran funded by the United States that have killed innocent Iranians, blown up military installations, etc. We are polarizing the entire nation against us.

Polarizing the entire nation against us? No, pretty sure Barry already did that when he chose to ignore the uprising a year or so ago. Sanctions aren't an act of war. As a matter of fact, they're one of the final stops of peace. An act of war would be detonating a suitcase nuke in Tehran

[Forever_frost]

Great response. But you know that what I said is true.

Iranians are reasonable people who want to be left alone and live their life; they don't want a war. But the more provoke them, the more they will support their crazy ass governing officials.

Really? Pretty sure we shot several of them in Iraq opening fire on us.

[jw33]

Don't worry folks, we will be sending rounds downrange in Iran at some point soon. It has been the end game all along. The healthcare debate is now settled and gas prices have room for a good run up after this winter/election. Expect an attack on a US ship or an aircraft shot down to be the breaking point.

[majorownage]

Polarizing the entire nation against us? No, pretty sure Barry already did that when he chose to ignore the uprising a year or so ago. Sanctions aren't an act of war. As a matter of fact, they're one of the final stops of peace. An act of war would be detonating a suitcase nuke in Tehran

An uprising funded by the United States; just like the rest of the "Arab spring."

The statement "sanctions are an act of war" can definitely be argued, but in most all cases, it leads to bombs being droped.

I think we can both agree that United Nations sanctions are a complete joke. Back when I was a GOP go-hard I scoffed at them because they NEVER worked; they don't persuade the state to act in the desired way.

Yes, sanctions cause suffering on the State being "punished," but it also really hurts the commoners. The state government blames the sanctions, and now there is a common battle cry that unites people to the radical government that probably wasn't supported by the people in the first place.

Just look through the past. Sanctions have lead to war ever since World War II. We stopped selling oil to the Japanese, and in turn they had their fiasco at Pearl Harbour which was the first external attack on US soil since the war of 1812. Some say these sanctions were designed to get the United States into the war, but I digress.

Really? Pretty sure we shot several of them in Iraq opening fire on us.

So that represents the entirety of the Iranian citizenry? What I am saying is that we are causing them to rally and further support that crazy guy Ahmadinejad.

Am I saying Iran is "good?" No! I am saying that imposing sanctions against a sovereign state is ineffective and probably serves to induce the opposite desired effect. Moreover, it is tyrannical in nature as sanctions threaten the sovereignty of a state. This is why I believe sanctions to be an act of war.

[stevo]

We are pushing Iran into a corner here. It is only natural that they repond with threats. Sanctions are an act of war. There are terrorist groups in Iran funded by the United States that have killed innocent Iranians, blown up military installations, etc. We are polarizing the entire nation against us.

How is a nation deciding to not do business with a country, and not allowing that country to do business with them, an act of war?

Next you will be telling me it is illegal for me to refuse to buy from or sell to you...
And before you mention it, no country is being forced to hold sanctions against Iran...

Stevo

[KBScobravert]

Don't worry folks, we will be sending rounds downrange in Iran at some point soon. It has been the end game all along. The healthcare debate is now settled and gas prices have room for a good run up after this winter/election. Expect an attack on a US ship or an aircraft shot down to be the breaking point.

Exactly. There is no way we are building such large bases in Afg. made out of good concrete not junk shit. And just like we have maritime prepositioned ships in all the oceans of the world, we now have them in AFG. Beans, bullets, and bandaids.

Also, it is not a coincidence that Iran is bordered by Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Forever_frost]

Am I saying Iran is "good?" No! I am saying that imposing sanctions against a sovereign state is ineffective and probably serves to induce the opposite desired effect. Moreover, it is tyrannical in nature as sanctions threaten the sovereignty of a state. This is why I believe sanctions to be an act of war.

So, letting Iran have all the oil they own to do with as they please will lead to war? No, them pushing and pushing us to see if we'll back down will.

[Forever_frost]

7 Jul 2012, 7:41 AM PDT post a comment
Iran will close the strategic Strait of Hormuz at the entrance to the oil-rich Gulf only if its crude revenues are seriously threatened, its top military commander said in remarks reported on Saturday.

"We have plans to close the Strait of Hormuz because military commanders must have plans for any situation," armed forces chief of staff General Hassan Firouzabadi said late on Friday, according to ISNA news agency.

"But Iran, acting rationally, will not close the corridor through which 40 percent of the world's energy passes, unless its interests are in serious trouble," he said, referring to the country's crucial crude revenues.

Several commanders and officials have vowed that Iran reserves as an option closing the strait -- a strategic choke point for much of the Middle East's oil -- if its nuclear facilities are targeted by military strikes.

The threats, renewed repeatedly since December, have generated warnings from the United States, which says any attempt by Iran to close the waterway is a "red line" that would trigger a US military reaction.

"What my colleagues say regarding (the closing of the strait) echo missions assigned to them," Firouzabadi told the Khorasan daily.

But, he explained, "the order to carry out the mission will only come from a decision by the Supreme National Security Council and approved by Supreme Leader" Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has final say on all state matters.

Firouzabadi said statements by military commanders would not affect any decision to close the passage of oil through the Strait of Hormuz.

Such threats have regularly caused hikes in oil prices across the globe.

Experts believe Iran, which exports all of its oil from its terminals in the Gulf, would be the first victim of any disruption of crude through the channel.

The issue gained momentum this week as more than third of lawmakers in Iran's parliament backed a bill calling for the waterway to be closed to oil tankers headed to Europe, as retaliation for a European Union embargo on Iranian crude that came into effect on July 1.

The EU measure is the latest of a raft of international sanctions designed to pressure Iran to curb its nuclear ambitions, which the West suspects mask military objective despite Tehran's repeated assertions of seeking only the civilian applications of the technology.

The bill echoed a December warning by Iran's first vice president, Mohammad Reza Rahimi, that the Islamic republic would close the strait if its crucial oil revenues are affected by Western sanctions.

His warning was then followed by naval manoeuvres of the elite Revolutionary Guards practising shutting the waterway in January.

The US has also moved new forces into the Gulf to support anti-mine operations in the Gulf to keep the strategic waterway open, the US Navy said Friday.

Iran has also warned it will respond to any military strikes against its atomic facilities.

The United States and Israel say "all options" remain on the table if talks aimed at curbing Iran's nuclear activities, condemned in four sets of sanctions imposed by the UN Security Council, fail.

World powers and Iran revived negotiations over Tehran's nuclear programme this year, but seem to have reached an impasse after three rounds of talks, as differences in the negotiating positions of the two sides remains significant. .

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/07/07/Iran-wont-close-strait-unless-trouble-is-serious

[Zfan]

president ronnie would have already given that sack of monkey shit an f111 enema, just like he did gaddafi back in '86. Our "hsic" (head socialist in charge) is too busy on his bus tour to actually take care of business. I've never seen anyone so goddamn stupid as to go on tour and brag about their failures.

amen!!!

[Zfan]

Very true. I guess about the only advantage to being an "old guy" on this board, is I lived (and voted for) Reagan and saw first-hand what it's like for the world to bow down to a badass world power. There were a few shit-talkers, but when push came to shove, the world kissed our ass.

Me too, I am 52 and remember when people gave a shit. Not this nut job Obama, he will be the end of us.

[CJ]

Great response. But you know that what I said is true.

Iranians are reasonable people who want to be left alone and live their life; they don't want a war. But the more provoke them, the more they will support their crazy ass governing officials.

The truth is you do not possess sufficient knowledge of the world to maintain a discussion. You demonstrate it every single time you talk. You think you're an intellectual but your mind is a barren wasteland of farcical conspiracy theories and misguided baseless celestial concepts. You are the most predictable of any person I've ever encountered. You are a straight line non-confirmist, you will choose whichever is the least accepted path and take it, not for the sake of a genuine pursuit, but simply for attention. In every single thread you do this, and it's entirely to attention whore. I could sit here and poke at your concept but it would be a huge waste of time, because in the end it would be the same as all of your other points of view, completely uneducated. After several hours we were determine you really don't know anything about the history of Iran, our previous intricacies, or even the basics of the current confrontation. You'd just google your way through it and declare yourself a genius. I'm sure in a real in person discussion you would be completely lost. If you actually spent more time learning and less time blathering you'd come off as a lot more intelligent.

[soap]

Lol @ we can hit 34 US bases within minutes. I am sure the U.S. can wipe that country off the map in minutes.

im sure if any country lunches missiles at us, they are going to receive our nuclear tipped Tomahawks. free of charge