Update on Hasan

[03trubluGT]

It will be 3 years this November.

Way too long.

[YALE]

Now we're talking!! Involve pigs with his death so that way he won't end up being a martyr and he won't get those 77 virgins.

The pork thing doesn't count if it's involuntary.

[svauto-erotic855]

I have my own solutions to how to handle him. Put him back at the Soldier's Readiness Center and let us police our own. No news, no tax dollars, just us policing ourselves. I can promise you, we can get VERY creative.

Just turn him over to my girlfriend. Club gitmo ain't got nothing like what she can dish out; film it and release it as a warning.

[Forever_frost]

WASHINGTON — The nearly 20 often-rambling emails that an Army psychiatrist sent to Yemeni terror leader Anwar al-Awlaki painted a confusing picture.

In some he was a believer intent on supporting terrorists and intrigued with the idea of U.S. soldiers killing comrades in the name of Islam. In others he was a man looking for help finding an appropriate wife.

In the end, they weren't enough for the FBI to identify Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan as a terrorist threat or, as it would turn out, as a man who now stands accused of the shooting spree at Fort Hood that killed 13 and wounded 23 others in November 2009.

The emails attracted the attention of FBI and anti-terrorism task force agents in December 2008, and eventually prompted them to dig up Hasan's personnel records and evaluation reports.

But gaps in the bureau's systems, poor training, antiquated technologies and an underlying fear that approaching Hasan would reveal the ongoing investigation into Awlaki prevented the FBI from pursuing the matter much further.

An independent review released Thursday by the FBI lays out a series of gaffes the bureau made as agents evaluated Hasan's correspondence with Awlaki, and ultimately decided the Army major was not a terror threat. The report, by former FBI Director William Webster, concludes that FBI personnel made mistakes in their handling of intelligence information, but that no one person was responsible.

"We do not find, and do not believe, that anyone is solely responsible for mistakes in handling the information," Webster wrote to FBI Director Robert Mueller in a letter with the report. "We do not believe it would be fair to hold these dedicated personnel, who work in a context of constant threats and limited resources, responsible for the tragedy that occurred months later at Fort Hood."

Much was already known about the series of oversights and missteps the government made leading to the terror attack at the Fort Hood Army post, but the report revealed new details.

The report describes the back-and-forth that went on between agents in Washington and task force members reviewing the emails in San Diego.

The FBI in San Diego had been investigating al-Awlaki, a former San Diego resident, for his possible connections to the 9/11 hijackers. When agents saw emails between Hasan and al-Awlaki, they asked the FBI's Washington office to talk to Hasan's bosses.

The Washington office said no.

The agents in Washington told Webster's investigators that an interview might have jeopardized the FBI's probe of Hasan by revealing that the bureau had access to his emails with al-Awalaki.

And, the report said, the FBI agents believed that an interview and contact with Hasan's chain-of-command might jeopardize Hasan's military career

The FBI ultimately concluded that Hasan's communications were in keeping with his research at the time, and as a result, no formal investigation of Hasan was opened. Hasan was writing a research paper about the effects of combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Webster's report says that al-Awlaki deserved scrutiny by the FBI in Washington beyond a simple records check and said it was a mistake not to have interviewed Hasan.

The emails began in December 2008 and the last one was sent in June 2009. His first one laid out a question. What would Awlaki think of Muslims who have joined the military and "have even killed or tried to kill" other U.S. soldiers.

Other emails laid out a defense of Hamas, while a series of others pressed Awlaki to make it easier for people to donate money to his website.

In one he mentions a survey about the U.S. trying to undermine Islam, and in another he talks about a speaker he heard that defended suicide bombers.

Another note added a "PS": "I'm looking for a wife that is willing to strive with me to please Allah," Hasan wrote. "I will strongly consider a recommendation coming from you."

Awlaki responded only twice. Once to thank him for fundraising efforts, and a second time thanking him again for the offers to help, and adding: "Tell more about yourself. I will keep an eye for a sister."

Webster's report makes 18 recommendations for policy changes, improvements in training, information technology and other systems. Many of the recommendations have already been implemented by the FBI, or are in progress

The report also makes some broader observations about the difficulties in identifying lone wolf terrorists.

"Nidal Malik Hasan's transformation into a killer underscores the dilemma confronting the FBI," the report said. "He was a religious person. He had no known foreign travel. Other than his eighteen communications with Anwar al-Awlaki, he had no known contact and no known relationships with criminal elements, agents of foreign power, or potential terrorists."

Webster noted that the case also underscores the challenges presented by the new information age. Advancing technologies, he said, demand changes in the way the FBI acquires, stores and acts on intelligence.

Mueller called the Webster review thorough, and said the FBI constantly strives to improve its procedures.

The FBI and Defense Department have said that they've made several policy changes since the 2009 attack to help stave off similar attacks in the future. One major change was that if al-Awlaki comes up as part of a terror investigation, FBI headquarters would be alerted, Mark Giuliano, assistant director for the FBI's National Security Branch, said last year.

Al-Awlaki, implicated in other terror plots, was killed in a drone strike in Yemen last fall.

Hasan is currently being tried in a military court.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/19/fort-hood-shooting-fbi-nidal-hasan-political-correctness_n_1685653.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

[Forever_frost]

I have my own solutions to how to handle him. Put him back at the Soldier's Readiness Center and let us police our own. No news, no tax dollars, just us policing ourselves. I can promise you, we can get VERY creative.

[stevo]

A straight drop would be too easy. He's undeserving of a dignified death.

Noose him up, tie his hands to the chair, and put him on a handicap ramp. Now wait for however long it takes to slowly kill him.


EDIT: Throw his crippled ass in a pig pen with no chair. Now lower the feeding down to every three days. That would be more suitable.

Now we're talking!! Involve pigs with his death so that way he won't end up being a martyr and he won't get those 77 virgins.

Exactly, the scene with the guy in the wheelchair in 'Hannibal' would be a perfect template.

Stevo

[91cavgt]

A straight drop would be too easy. He's undeserving of a dignified death.

Noose him up, tie his hands to the chair, and put him on a handicap ramp. Now wait for however long it takes to slowly kill him.


EDIT: Throw his crippled ass in a pig pen with no chair. Now lower the feeding down to every three days. That would be more suitable.

Now we're talking!! Involve pigs with his death so that way he won't end up being a martyr and he won't get those 77 virgins.

[Snatch Napkin]

He should have thought about "fairness" when he attacked 45 unarmed U.S. soldiers (killing 13).
He should be given a "fair" trial, then hung by the neck (with wheel chair intact for extra ballast) until he is dead.

A straight drop would be too easy. He's undeserving of a dignified death.

Noose him up, tie his hands to the chair, and put him on a handicap ramp. Now wait for however long it takes to slowly kill him.


EDIT: Throw his crippled ass in a pig pen with no chair. Now lower the feeding down to every three days. That would be more suitable.

[Vertnut]

He should have thought about "fairness" when he attacked 45 unarmed U.S. soldiers (killing 13).
He should be given a "fair" trial, then hung by the neck (with wheel chair intact for extra ballast) until he is dead.

[Forever_frost]

Fair Trial Issues a Worry as Hasan Trial Looms
how can a man who killed soldiers get a fair trial before a panel of Army officers?
Jim Forsyth

The judge in the upcoming court martial of Ft. Hood shooting suspect Maj. Nidal Hasan today debated with attorneys the sensitive question of how to go about selecting a military jury to consider the case, as both sides wrestled with the question of how to make sure the man charged with killing 13 people on an Army post can get an impartial hearing from a jury made up of Army officers.



Col. Gregory Gross, the presiding officer, has granted defense attorney Lt. Col. Kris Poppe the right to obtain background information on hundreds of soldiers who may wind up in the jury pool. Poppe is also asking for specific detailed points to be included on a questionnaire to go to potential members of the panel, as juries are called in military court. That is apparently one of the sticking points as negotiations between the lawyers continue behind closed doors.



Hasan, 41, is charged with 13 specifications of premeditated murder and 32 specifications of premeditated attempted murder after he allegedly opened fire on a group of soldiers preparing to deeply to Afghanistan in November of 2009. He could get the death penalty if convicted. His court martial is set to begin at Ft. Hood August 20.



Selecting a panel may turn out to be the most difficult part of the entire process, according to Philip Anthony of DecisionQuest, a jury selection consulting firm, who is an expert on courts martial. Anthony is not involved in the Hasan trial.



"We have to keep in mind that soldiers are people too," he told 1200 WOAI news. "Soldiers who serve as jurors in trials like this come to court with an even more heightened level of bias, because this case was very upsetting to a group of soldiers whose feeling will be one of 'this happened in my own back yard to my own people'."



Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the panel must be made up of active duty soldiers, officers at the rank of Major and above unless Hasan specifically requests the panel to include enlisted personnel. Unlike civilian courts, the judge is included as a member of the panel. In most military trials, just a two thirds vote of guilty is needed to convict, but in capital cases like Hasan's, the decision to convict must be unanimous. In addition, the panel members must not be set for military deployment in 'the near time frame.'



"In a way, a trial like this is almost as through the jury in a murder cases all lived in the family where the murder occurred," Anthony said.



Anthony said that's the reason why Poppe is demanding specific questionnaires



"Generally in civilian jury trials there is not a lot known about prospective jurors," he said. "In this trial the records of the soldiers will be made available. But the legal team will have to understand the likelihood of ingrained prejudices about the correct outcome for the trial."



Criminal defense attorney Marcellus MacRae, who is an expert on jury selection with the prominent Los Angeles law firm of Gibson, Dunn, and Crutcher, agreed.



"You simply must be in a position to gain as much information about the backgrounds, the beliefs, the experiences of the people who will be on this panel, so you can make an informed determination about who will make the best juror," he told 1200 WOAI news.



MacRae is also not involved in the Hasan case.



He said Poppe is mainly on the lookout for potential jurors who 'firmly and aggressively' want to be a part of the jury so they can 'make a statement about what the outcome should be.'



Anthony said it will also be impossible for Poppe to find jurors who are not familiar with Hasan's case, and has not made up his or her mind about it.



"The trial team is writing questions to get at the behavior of a stealth juror, these would include inconsistencies in the ways prospective jurors answer the questions," he said. "Like if a prospective juror says he is very busy, and then goes out of his way to minimize their obligations and say yeah, I can definitely be here, I want to be here."



MacRae said while Army officers may feel that Hasan attacked members of their Army family, because they are military officers, they are used to following orders, and that will help them put their emotions aside.



"You want a fairness," he said. "People who will actually sit and observe and wait and see how the various pieces of the jigsaw puzzle that is a trial all crystallize before making a decision."



Under miltiary law, if Hasan is convicted, the panel will immediately convene to decide his punishment.

http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=119078&article=10266380

[Forever_frost]

That sucks in this situation.

Especially since he's still making Major rank pay every month

[VaderTT]

Can't demote an officer without a court martial.

That sucks in this situation.

[Forever_frost]

Makes sense.

I just would have thought they would strip his rank then sort it out later.

Can't demote an officer without a court martial.

[Forever_frost]

Oh and shit, I agree with that judge. If you're not ready for trial by now, you'll never be ready.

Of course, for any normal puke it would've been over a week later.

If he hadn't been an officer AND a Muslim, this would have been over within weeks. The military freaks at ever charging an officer with anything of consequence and since he's a Muslim, he's a protected class. My wife was talking to a friend of her's and was told that the lady's husband went to med school in the Army with Hasan. He was a radical back then and when reported to the military, they just let it go.

[VaderTT]

Not found guilty...etc so not busted down in rank or anything.

Makes sense.

I just would have thought they would strip his rank then sort it out later.