Texas as a nation?

[LANTIRN]

"We are over 100% debt to GDP ratio"
How would secession solve this problem for RoT other than just skipping out on the bill? Would a secession cause a domino collapse of the US forcing immigrants from the north. Where there economies would not survive due to being land locked.

"the Congress no longer abides by the Constitution"
I dont agree, but I do agree on the implication that congress is broken. In any regards this problem can be fixed more easily than secession. Such solutions are term limits, being made accountable for their actions even after the term has ended, not being able financial profit off of committee's they belong to, barring the discussion of the party line and party affiliation (including separation) on the floor, and creating an open system of debates on the subjects that are vexing the US, and creating a better system for citizen's to address their concerns to the congress.

"refuses to enforce our borders, attacks states that do try to secure their border ... This presidency has seen the executive branch attack Arizona, Alabama and Florida over immigration laws and even more states under their voting laws."
There is a difference from national security, immigration, and racism. How would secession stop this? How do you deal with immigration along the other boarders?

"has increased the burden on states to support other states that have gone bankrupt due to liberal ideology. "
Secession wont create a right wing utopia that stops people from having differing ideas.

"what do you mean "at the cost of it's employees?" Do they not agree to work for xyz?"
In the last 50 years the average income for most of middle to low America has remained fairly flat and has not properly reflected the cost of living (such as gas prices). While the pay of the upper class has continually climbed. If this systematic greed was altered so that lower paid employees revived more substantial cost of living raises, it would allow people to meet a certain quality of life level that doesn't require governmental aid or use credit instead of cash. In addition those lower paid wage slaves could have their quality of living improved to point that the individual wage slave can take on the burden of healthcare issues and not leave it to the government (and the employer). A higher paid workforce would also equate to a larger taxable income to the government.

I consider any of your opinions invalid for the above bolded reason.

[Forever_frost]

And when corporate forces cut backs, suspends raises, lays people off, all the while the upper management is raking in money, raise after raise, is that ethical?

Ethical? Who cares. As long as there is a profit, if they can hire more people to work for less while expanding white collar jobs? Go for it. It's their business. You don't like it? Create a competing business

[Forever_frost]

"We are over 100% debt to GDP ratio"
How would secession solve this problem for RoT other than just skipping out on the bill? Would a secession cause a domino collapse of the US forcing immigrants from the north. Where there economies would not survive due to being land locked.

"the Congress no longer abides by the Constitution"
I dont agree, but I do agree on the implication that congress is broken. In any regards this problem can be fixed more easily than secession. Such solutions are term limits, being made accountable for their actions even after the term has ended, not being able financial profit off of committee's they belong to, barring the discussion of the party line and party affiliation (including separation) on the floor, and creating an open system of debates on the subjects that are vexing the US, and creating a better system for citizen's to address their concerns to the congress.

"refuses to enforce our borders, attacks states that do try to secure their border ... This presidency has seen the executive branch attack Arizona, Alabama and Florida over immigration laws and even more states under their voting laws."
There is a difference from national security, immigration, and racism. How would secession stop this? How do you deal with immigration along the other boarders?

"has increased the burden on states to support other states that have gone bankrupt due to liberal ideology. "
Secession wont create a right wing utopia that stops people from having differing ideas.

"what do you mean "at the cost of it's employees?" Do they not agree to work for xyz?"
In the last 50 years the average income for most of middle to low America has remained fairly flat and has not properly reflected the cost of living (such as gas prices). While the pay of the upper class has continually climbed. If this systematic greed was altered so that lower paid employees revived more substantial cost of living raises, it would allow people to meet a certain quality of life level that doesn't require governmental aid or use credit instead of cash. In addition those lower paid wage slaves could have their quality of living improved to point that the individual wage slave can take on the burden of healthcare issues and not leave it to the government (and the employer). A higher paid workforce would also equate to a larger taxable income to the government.

Simple. Very simple. Texas has the Texas Guard and militia to secure our borders. Under a new Constitution, securing our borders would be the main purpose of said forces. Anyone crosses illegally? They get shot. Doesn't matter if it's illegals from Oklahoma or Louisanna or Mexico. All treated equally.

Is it greed to want to keep what you have created or greed to want what you didn't create? You do know that COLAs increase the cost of goods so that the lower paid workers are at the same place or worse than they were before right?

[Forever_frost]

I consider any of your opinions invalid for the above bolded reason.

I saw that and anyone who thinks secession would be based on racism is a stupid fucking idiot.

[YALE]

Texas is the only state that can become its own nation if the union starts to fall

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If the union falls, they can all do whatever they want to.

[KBScobravert]

If I remember correctly the oath is "to support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic". If in your heart you believe that the United States does not want the same constitution you swore to defend I don't see a conflict of interest. Even more so if the "Texas as a nations?" wants to institute and revive/restore the original Constitution.

[Zfan]

Wouldn't it be easier to run POTUS out of office..just saying

[Sgt Beavis]

Wouldn't it be easier to run POTUS out of office..just saying

Yea, get rid of him and we will have four years of not having to listen to successionist talk.

[Forever_frost]

Yea, get rid of him and we will have four years of not having to listen to successionist talk.

Not sure that's true. 16 trillion in debt

[CexMashean]

FTS!
(fuck the successionist)

[Forever_frost]

FTS!
(fuck the successionist)

Do you have anything of value to contribute or are you just attracted to me and my posts?

[matts5.0]

Get rid of him, the fed, the Irs, to start.

[YALE]

Why do you say that?

Sorry I'm just getting back to you, Jim. Basically, the plan for secession so far doesn't address its own costs, or have much of a plan beyond broad generalities. It also paints a picture of Texas's economic situation as static, when real economies are anything but. We're riding high now, but what if we get a mean curve ball. The plan feels to me about like Scotland's Darien Scheme.

[aggie97]

Ah, the "screw you guys I'm goin home" movement - Same talk occurred in the later years of Clinton. Then died away when GWB took office.

Texas doesnt have a self sustaining economy, its too dependent on Federal money. If you think taxes are high now, wait until the state starts having to fill the gaps. Support (which is just a bunch of talk honestly) will evaporate once it hits the pocketbook.

Chris, TX has the 8th largest economy in the WORLD by itself. If we as a whole stop paying FEDERAL taxes and move those to the new Republic of Texas, we would be in the black minute 1. If you take away what the Feds skim off the top to pay for all the other states not carrying their own burden, we in TX would be just fine. We would have to setup a stronger defense and expand our own gov't infrastructure to provide services for tax collection, Interstate criminal investigation and court systems, but I guarantee you we would still be sitting pretty with plenty of cash flow. I might even venture we could lower our overall tax burden if we create a more efficient system of goverment and cut all the fat. Imagine how much we would save by not providing foreign aid or maintaining bases all over the world. TX as an isolationist Republic would THRIVE as the remaining 49 states would collapse in financial ruin.

Those that don't like it can move outside our borders. You have 90 days to GTFO. Those folks only drag down our society anyway. The folks that have jobs and want to work are welcomed to move here. With all the talk across the nation of "I want outta here, what are my options"....providing a place to "escape" here in TX would be a great move. It's certainly easier than moving to Australia.

If Obama is re-elected, the talk of secession will grow much stronger. Hell Perry might even realize that he could still be president of TX but I would ask that Ron Paul return home and take that position.

It's time.....

[slow06]

Chris, TX has the 8th largest economy in the WORLD by itself. If we as a whole stop paying FEDERAL taxes and move those to the new Republic of Texas, we would be in the black minute 1. If you take away what the Feds skim off the top to pay for all the other states not carrying their own burden, we in TX would be just fine. We would have to setup a stronger defense and expand our own gov't infrastructure to provide services for tax collection, Interstate criminal investigation and court systems, but I guarantee you we would still be sitting pretty with plenty of cash flow. I might even venture we could lower our overall tax burden if we create a more efficient system of goverment and cut all the fat. Imagine how much we would save by not providing foreign aid or maintaining bases all over the world. TX as an isolationist Republic would THRIVE as the remaining 49 states would collapse in financial ruin.

Those that don't like it can move outside our borders. You have 90 days to GTFO. Those folks only drag down our society anyway. The folks that have jobs and want to work are welcomed to move here. With all the talk across the nation of "I want outta here, what are my options"....providing a place to "escape" here in TX would be a great move. It's certainly easier than moving to Australia.

If Obama is re-elected, the talk of secession will grow much stronger. Hell Perry might even realize that he could still be president of TX but I would ask that Ron Paul return home and take that position.

It's time.....

How much of the money in Texas comes from outside of it? How many Texans work for companies based in other states that might shut down their "foreign" branch? How many Texan companies would loose business from not being able to sell to the US? How long could we withstand what I would assume to be an automatic trade embargo with the US?

It seems to me we would have to rely on Mexico's help.

This may have all already been worked through by somebody, just some thoughts.