Texas as a nation?

[Vertnut]

Texas won its independence from Mexico in 1836 but wasn't annexed until 1845, some say illegally. We stood as an independent nation for 9 years. I think this is what most "secessionsists" use as the basis for being able to secede. It won't happen, but it would be fun to watch. With all the natural resources we have (including our people), it would be feasible economically. This POTUS is the one to attempt it under, since he can't find his bung-hole with both hands.

[mikec]

So what are we waiting on?

[mstng86]

So what are we waiting on?

Go ahead and fire the first shot, sir. Lol

[mikec]

Go ahead and fire the first shot, sir. Lol

K, I just did. Don't think I hit anything though. Guess I better go try again...

[Relinquished]

Texas is the only state that can become its own nation if the union starts to fall

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[tazz007]

I was invited to a group of Texas Nationalists so I decided to look through their information. I have to say, the Texan in me is intrigued and plays to my anger at the unconstitutional actions of the government and the punitive taxation that is used as a weapon on producers and energy producing states.

Here's my dilemma. My Oath is to the Constitution of the United States. I swore to protect and defend it with my life. So would supporting Texas being a nation be a violation of that oath?

http://www.texasnationalist.com/

Read the federalist papers. Your answer is there. We have the right/duty to throw off a tyrannical government, and we have the right to break away. And yes if we break away, they will attack us, just like last time.

With all that being said. I do support separation as an Oath Keeper.

[Binky]

Ah, the "screw you guys I'm goin home" movement - Same talk occurred in the later years of Clinton. Then died away when GWB took office.

Texas doesnt have a self sustaining economy, its too dependent on Federal money. If you think taxes are high now, wait until the state starts having to fill the gaps. Support (which is just a bunch of talk honestly) will evaporate once it hits the pocketbook.

I'm an American and a Texan and will always be proud to call myself both. I know our system isnt perfect, but in the long run things correct themselves either by judicial or social means. Have your tantrum and cry about it if you wish, but if you don't do anything more than bluster about on a forum, vote occasionally (or not at all) you will never change the direction of the country.

Get involved or stay on the sidelines - the choice is yours.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

So would supporting Texas being a nation be a violation of that oath?

If the reason for secession is because of paying income tax, or Obama, then yes it is a violation your oath.

Secession will not change the fact that the world is going through a economic slump that was probably caused by deregulation of the financial markets. Secession will not change the bizarre weather and that nobody was prepared for at the local levels and for impact the weather may have. Secession will probably not change the fact that the upper crust of buisness is getting extremely wealthy at the cost of its employees.

[CexMashean]

If the reason for secession is because of paying income tax, or Obama, then yes it is a violation your oath.

Secession will not change the fact that the world is going through a economic slump that was probably caused by deregulation of the financial markets. Secession will not change the bizarre weather and that nobody was prepared for at the local levels and for impact the weather may have. Secession will probably not change the fact that the upper crust of buisness is getting extremely wealthy at the cost of its employees.

Please tells us more, John'02msnbc.

[Forever_frost]

If the reason for secession is because of paying income tax, or Obama, then yes it is a violation your oath.

Secession will not change the fact that the world is going through a economic slump that was probably caused by deregulation of the financial markets. Secession will not change the bizarre weather and that nobody was prepared for at the local levels and for impact the weather may have. Secession will probably not change the fact that the upper crust of buisness is getting extremely wealthy at the cost of its employees.

No, not because of taxes or Obama, but both are being calculated. We are over 100% debt to GDP ratio, the Congress no longer abides by the Constitution, refuses to enforce our borders, attacks states that do try to secure their border, has increased the burden on states to support other states that have gone bankrupt due to liberal ideology. This presidency has seen the executive branch attack Arizona, Alabama and Florida over immigration laws and even more states under their voting laws.

At what point is enough, enough?


And what do you mean "at the cost of it's employees?" Do they not agree to work for xyz?

[Venix]

If the reason for secession is because of paying income tax, or Obama, then yes it is a violation your oath.

Secession will not change the fact that the world is going through a economic slump that was probably caused by deregulation of the financial markets. Secession will not change the bizarre weather and that nobody was prepared for at the local levels and for impact the weather may have. Secession will probably not change the fact that the upper crust of buisness is getting extremely wealthy at the cost of its employees.

If I agree to work for $7 per hour, and then you make a profit off of me, tough shit. I do not see a problem with that because I am still getting paid my $7. I, nor anyone else, is owed a percentage of the profits made. Go to work, get paid, suck it up. Otherwise, you start a business, and pay all of the bills, insurances, taxes, and fees. Then we will see how much you want to pay someone when you really know how much money has to be spent just to stay open.

[bobs94formula]

Otherwise, you start a business, and pay all of the bills, insurances, taxes, and fees. Then we will see how much you want to pay someone when you really know how much money has to be spent just to stay open.

No shit! I never realized how much BS a company has to pay to the govt, ins, etc. until we had our own business for a few years. They'll make you go broke!

[Forever_frost]

If I agree to work for $7 per hour, and then you make a profit off of me, tough shit. I do not see a problem with that because I am still getting paid my $7. I, nor anyone else, is owed a percentage of the profits made. Go to work, get paid, suck it up. Otherwise, you start a business, and pay all of the bills, insurances, taxes, and fees. Then we will see how much you want to pay someone when you really know how much money has to be spent just to stay open.

I'll agree they should have a percentage of the profits if they take an equal percentage of teh loss and overhead and taxes. If you want in on business, you have to take all of it

[ThreeFingerPete]

If I agree to work for $7 per hour, and then you make a profit off of me, tough shit. I do not see a problem with that because I am still getting paid my $7. I, nor anyone else, is owed a percentage of the profits made. Go to work, get paid, suck it up. Otherwise, you start a business, and pay all of the bills, insurances, taxes, and fees. Then we will see how much you want to pay someone when you really know how much money has to be spent just to stay open.

And when corporate forces cut backs, suspends raises, lays people off, all the while the upper management is raking in money, raise after raise, is that ethical?

[John -- '02 HAWK]

"We are over 100% debt to GDP ratio"
How would secession solve this problem for RoT other than just skipping out on the bill? Would a secession cause a domino collapse of the US forcing immigrants from the north. Where there economies would not survive due to being land locked.

"the Congress no longer abides by the Constitution"
I dont agree, but I do agree on the implication that congress is broken. In any regards this problem can be fixed more easily than secession. Such solutions are term limits, being made accountable for their actions even after the term has ended, not being able financial profit off of committee's they belong to, barring the discussion of the party line and party affiliation (including separation) on the floor, and creating an open system of debates on the subjects that are vexing the US, and creating a better system for citizen's to address their concerns to the congress.

"refuses to enforce our borders, attacks states that do try to secure their border ... This presidency has seen the executive branch attack Arizona, Alabama and Florida over immigration laws and even more states under their voting laws."
There is a difference from national security, immigration, and racism. How would secession stop this? How do you deal with immigration along the other boarders?

"has increased the burden on states to support other states that have gone bankrupt due to liberal ideology. "
Secession wont create a right wing utopia that stops people from having differing ideas.

"what do you mean "at the cost of it's employees?" Do they not agree to work for xyz?"
In the last 50 years the average income for most of middle to low America has remained fairly flat and has not properly reflected the cost of living (such as gas prices). While the pay of the upper class has continually climbed. If this systematic greed was altered so that lower paid employees revived more substantial cost of living raises, it would allow people to meet a certain quality of life level that doesn't require governmental aid or use credit instead of cash. In addition those lower paid wage slaves could have their quality of living improved to point that the individual wage slave can take on the burden of healthcare issues and not leave it to the government (and the employer). A higher paid workforce would also equate to a larger taxable income to the government.