Texas as a nation?

[Forever_frost]

I was invited to a group of Texas Nationalists so I decided to look through their information. I have to say, the Texan in me is intrigued and plays to my anger at the unconstitutional actions of the government and the punitive taxation that is used as a weapon on producers and energy producing states.

Here's my dilemma. My Oath is to the Constitution of the United States. I swore to protect and defend it with my life. So would supporting Texas being a nation be a violation of that oath?

http://www.texasnationalist.com/

[2011GT]

What Constitution?

[helosailor]

I hear ya on the Oath, Jim. But I think the following applies to this dilemma...
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

[Forever_frost]

I hear ya on the Oath, Jim. But I think the following applies to this dilemma...
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

I considered that as well Helo. The US and the UN both recognize a state's right of self government, the right of the people of that state to remove itself from a tyrannous master that has become punitive in it's treatment of that state. You can guess how much I'm considering this by how much it's causing a conflict.

[Armedtrigger01]

I hear ya on the Oath, Jim. But I think the following applies to this dilemma...
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

Ya know just reading that makes me want to weep tears of sorrow for what this nation has become after starting with words like that.

[LANTIRN]

The founder's allegiance to Britain ended with the encroachment upon their rights.

I have also been thinking about the same thing as you, Frost. I took an oath as well.


Edit: If it helps, I no longer celebrate the 4th of July. The Constitution means everything to me, but not the current country we live in.

[reo]

Was just talking to the wife and friends about this. One reply was "but you cant, it's unconstitutional to secede" and I replied "I'm sure King George said something similar." On top of it all, was the realization and the sorrow that came with it that this country may very well be in its death throes. That should this be a pretext of what is to come, what then? Texas has always been a mini-America to me. It is my home within a home, and honestly cannot imagine living anywhere else in the country. We all took an oath, an oath that my family has held dear for many generations. Even though I feel we have been betrayed, I still feel a duty to uphold my end. But if this was a cost, what is the gain? An independent Texas? Where the ideals of America could flourish once again? Despite whatever guilt I may feel now or later, if I cannot preserve her as a whole, then I'll preserve a piece, and keep the spirit of freedom alive. That is worth it to me.

Now let me say that I do not have a crystal ball. I do not know what will happen in 1,5, or 10 years. But with current events taking place that should cause any educated person to take pause, and compare to what history has shown us, I do worry. The idea that America a could fall apart should not be a alien one. Do you ever wonder if the people of the Soviet Union imagined thier country shattering? We are not too big to fail. In fact, I feel it's the opposite, I think we are too big too succeed. Anyways, just some thoughts running through my head. I don hope for anything to happen, but those unaware are generally the ones that don't make it.

-Eric

[Forever_frost]

The Scottish historian Alexander Tytler composed the following theory:

“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.

“From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

“The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

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From bondage to spiritual faith;
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From spiritual faith to great courage;
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From courage to liberty;
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From liberty to abundance;
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From abundance to complacency;
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From complacency to apathy;
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From apathy to dependence;
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From dependence back into bondage.”


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Consider now that the following empires all lasted just a bit over 200 years:

Assyria (859-612 B.C.): a 247-year reign.
Persia (538-330 B.C.): a 208-year reign.
Greece (331-100 B.C.): a 231-year reign.
The Roman Republic (260-27 B.C.): a 233-year reign.
The Roman Empire (27 B.C.-180 A.D.): a 207-year reign.
The Arab Empire (634-880 A.D.): a 246-year reign.
The Mameluke Empire (1250-1517 A.D.): a 267-year reign.
The Ottoman Empire (1320-1570 A.D.): a 250-year reign.
Spain (1500-1750 A.D.): a 250-year reign.
Romanov Russia (1682-1916 A.D.): a 234-year reign.
Great Britain (1700-1950 A.D.): a 250-year reign.
The United States (1790-2010 A.D.): 220 years and counting.

http://realitybloger.wordpress.com/tag/titler-cycle/

[YALE]

It's legal for us to secede, since we're a state by treaty, but it would be about as good an idea at present as Scotland separating from the UK.

[Forever_frost]

It's legal for us to secede, since we're a state by treaty, but it would be about as good an idea at present as Scotland separating from the UK.

Why do you say that?

[Armedtrigger01]

The thing that people take for granted is that they would let Texas leave without a fight which they won't so if it comes to that I guess we will have to take a new oath. Which to me is not to be taken lightly but if Texas is leaving the union the constitution we swore to uphold would not be the law of the land anymore.

[abecx]

lol

[Big A]

Fuck! My Cali driver's license is in the mail.

[CexMashean]

fucking lol.

[diablo rojo]

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