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  • Did Chief Justice Roberts Pass on Healthcare to Gut the Commerce Clause?

    Very interesting perspective here.

    Originally posted by Slate
    There were two battles being fought in the Supreme Court over the Affordable Care Act. Chief Justice John Roberts—and Justice Anthony Kennedy—delivered victory to the right in the one that mattered.

    Yes, Roberts voted to uphold the individual mandate, joining the court's liberal wing to give President Obama a 5-4 victory on his signature piece of legislation. Right-wing partisans are crying treason; left-wing partisans saw their predictions of a bitter, party-line defeat undone.

    But the health care law was, ultimately, a pretext. This was a test case for the long-standing—but previously fringe—campaign to rewrite Congress' regulatory powers under the Commerce Clause.
    This is why the challenge to the ACA, and its progress through the courts, came as a surprise to Democrats and to mainstream constitutional scholars: Three years ago, there was no serious doubt that Congress had the power to impose the individual mandate.

    A Bloomberg story last week nicely captured the stakes: "Obama Health Law Seen Valid, Scholars Expect Rejection":

    The U.S. Supreme Court should uphold a law requiring most Americans to have health insurance if the justices follow legal precedent, according to 19 of 21 constitutional law professors who ventured an opinion on the most-anticipated ruling in years.

    Only eight of them predicted the court would do so.

    The scholars expected to see the court gut existing Commerce Clause precedent and overturn the individual mandate in a partisan decision: Five Republican-appointed justices voting to rewrite doctrine and reject Obamacare; four Democratic-appointed justices dissenting.

    Roberts was smarter than that. By ruling that the individual mandate was permissible as a tax, he joined the Democratic appointees to uphold the law—while joining the Republican wing to gut the Commerce Clause (and push back against the necessary-and-proper clause as well). Here's the Chief Justice's opinion (italics in original):

    Construing the Commerce Clause to permit Congress to regulate individuals precisely because they are doing nothing would open a new and potentially vast domain to congressional authority. Congress already possesses expansive power to regulate what people do. Upholding the Affordable Care Act under the Commerce Clause would give Congress the same license to regulate what people do not do. The Framers knew the difference between doing something and doing nothing. They gave Congress the power to regulate commerce, not to compel it. Ignoring that distinction would undermine the principle that the Federal Government is a government of limited and enumerated powers. The individual mandate thus cannot be sustained under Congress’s power to “regulate Commerce.”

    The business about "new and potentially vast" authority is a fig leaf. This is a substantial rollback of Congress' regulatory powers, and the chief justice knows it. It is what Roberts has been pursuing ever since he signed up with the Federalist Society. In 2005, Sen. Barack Obama spoke in opposition to Roberts' nomination, saying he did not trust his political philosophy on tough questions such as "whether the Commerce Clause empowers Congress to speak on those issues of broad national concern that may be only tangentially related to what is easily defined as interstate commerce." Today, Roberts did what Obama predicted he would do.

    Roberts' genius was in pushing this health care decision through without attaching it to the coattails of an ugly, narrow partisan victory. Obama wins on policy, this time. And Roberts rewrites Congress' power to regulate, opening the door for countless future challenges. In the long term, supporters of curtailing the federal government should be glad to have made that trade.

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    I'm certainly no expert here, but couldn't he have said the same thing while overturning it? Wouldn't that have had the same effect? Just doesn't make sense to me.

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    • #3
      No. He fucked us. Plain and simple. If he wanted to go after the commerce clause, he could have done it through another case that wasn't so vital.
      How do we forget ourselves? How do we forget our minds?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by talisman View Post
        I'm certainly no expert here, but couldn't he have said the same thing while overturning it? Wouldn't that have had the same effect? Just doesn't make sense to me.
        I think it's mostly a case of give and take; he keels over on healthcare to gain some face, and then the repealing of the commerce clause becomes much easier.

        The treatment of the mandate as a tax also basically completely ignores the commerce clause's authority; overturning the mandate by way of the commerce clause would affirm its authority, and thus prevent any repealing of the CC.

        Long term, if this is how it was planned, the benefits may outweigh the cost.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by The Geofster View Post
          No. He fucked us. Plain and simple. If he wanted to go after the commerce clause, he could have done it through another case that wasn't so vital.
          Picking your battles. I know it's not really a popular concept on here where we're all right all of the time, but politically it makes sense. Again, that's only if that's the actual directive behind this move, which remains to be seen.

          That last bit is somewhat contradictory, though. I'd also suggest that the repealing of the commerce clause could have far greater consequences than the healthcare bill alone, at least as far as an aggregated dollar amount is concerned.

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          • #6
            Not to mention he did something I picked up on and not a lot did. He declared it a tax. That means two things.

            1) Obama did the largest tax increase in human history
            2) Taxes originate in the House. This bill started in the Senate. You can bring this back before the court challenging it on that basis.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
              Not to mention he did something I picked up on and not a lot did. He declared it a tax. That means two things.

              1) Obama did the largest tax increase in human history
              2) Taxes originate in the House. This bill started in the Senate. You can bring this back before the court challenging it on that basis.
              That is what Fox is drumming right now.
              Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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              • #8
                Forever frost has a very good point if the republicans are smart they will challenge it that way and Romney can use the tax increase against Obama in his campaign.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kbscobravert View Post
                  That is what Fox is drumming right now.
                  Interesting. I've stayed away from news all day. Been trying to keep from having a stroke from rage
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                  • #10
                    The commerce clause was made obsolete instantaneously with this ruling. When you give the executive branch the power to use taxation with unlimited power the commerce clause is entirely unnecessary. A very large portion of our constitution exists for the explicit purpose of preventing exactly what happened today.
                    "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
                    "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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                    • #11
                      The best response to this article that I've seen today was this:


                      Look, it doesn't matter if lube was used or not, the american citizen still ended up with a dick in the ass.

                      Followed by a couple others:

                      He tortured logic like a North Korean interrogator to invent a new tax power in order to preserve a ridiculous and by his own admission constitutionally prohibited piece of legislation as passed.

                      The only thing gutted and eviscerated here is us.

                      ...of course, he'll go down as a great hero in the pantheon of inventive jurisprudence...which may have been his ultimate goal.
                      Those eager to call this a master stroke are eager to do so because the reality is too unbearable for them to admit. Roberts is either an idiot or an ego-maniacal traitor. That's it.
                      Why bother gutting the commerce clause when you kick the door wide open with Congress' ability to tax?

                      His master plan is to say that you can't abuse this piece of the Constitution to socially engineer your desires, this piece over here is much better suited for that. Sure doesn't sound like a win.

                      He has given Congress the authority to not only tax activities you take part in, but activities you do not take part in. The reach of the Federal government has been expanded, he just used a different hand than the one the President wanted, the end result is the same.
                      Last edited by Strychnine; 06-28-2012, 09:38 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Strychnine View Post
                        The best response to this article that I've seen today was this:





                        Followed by a couple others:
                        In regards to the last point of the last quote, i would argue that it went above and beyond of what the obama was looking for. I wouldn't be surprised to see a flood of 'legal by means of taxation' bills flood down from both sides after November.

                        We lost EVERYTHING in this ruling and, unless fully repealed, will not be living in the same country were we living in, in the past five years, let alone the past 10-20.

                        It was a complete knockout blow. Straight to the chin. I am seething right now.
                        How do we forget ourselves? How do we forget our minds?

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