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    Beard gets Fort Hood suspect barred from court

    Posted on June 19, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) — An Army psychiatrist charged in the deadly 2009 shooting rampage at Fort Hood was barred from military court by the judge Tuesday because he still has a beard.

    Maj. Nidal Hasan was told that he couldn't attend any more hearings or his upcoming murder trial unless he shaves. The judge, Col. Gregory Gross, initially warned Hasan that he was violating Army regulations at a hearing earlier this month. That was the first time Hasan showed up in court sporting a beard.

    Lead defense attorney Lt. Col. Kris Poppe told the judge that Hasan grew the beard as a "deeply sincere" expression of his faith and because he has a premonition he will die soon. Poppe quoted an imam who said growing a beard is mandatory or strongly encouraged for men of Islamic faith.

    Hasan faces the death penalty if convicted of 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder in the attack at the Texas Army post. Witnesses have said that on the morning of Nov. 5, 2009, a gunman wearing an Army combat uniform opened fire after shouting "Allahu Akbar!" — or "God is great!" in Arabic — in a Fort Hood medical building where deploying and returning soldiers received vaccines and other tests.

    A prosecutor, Lt. Col. Steve Henricks, said Hasan never grew a beard during his military career and was only doing so now to prevent witnesses from identifying him at his trial, set for Aug. 20. Poppe said that an Army chaplain has discussed the beard issue with Hasan, an American-born Muslim.

    Gross opted not to hold Hasan in contempt of court and did not force him to shave. However, Hasan was taken to a nearby room where he watched the rest of the five-hour hearing on closed-circuit television.

    Gross did not rule Tuesday on several defense motions, including a request to delay the trial from August to December and a request for copies of materials used by a terrorism expert expected to testify for the prosecution. He did grant a defense request for government funding for a neurologist to perform tests on Hasan, including scans to check for a brain tumor. The next hearing was set for June 29.

    During a break in the hearing, TV monitors in the courtroom showed Hasan and one of his attorneys in another room, but the judge turned them off when proceedings resumed, saying he didn't want Hasan's appearance to be a disruption.

    "I'll wait for him to shave if he wants to come back in here," Gross told Hasan's attorneys. "He has a choice."

    Poppe responded that it was a choice to "to obey you or his religious faith."

    "That's not a choice for a soldier," Gross shot back.

    Poppe said he would appeal the judge's ruling to a higher Army court because with Hasan barred from the courtroom, he has no way to communicate with his client.

    Hasan, 41, is paralyzed from the waist down after being shot by police the day of the rampage. He remains jailed.

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  • #2
    I wish someone would just set him on fire and be done with it.
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    • #3
      I would really hate to be the soldier that has to change his diapers.
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      • #4
        They are still referring to him as a soldier, but not making him shave? It's one or the other and then the stupidity gets worst after that.
        Originally posted by MR EDD
        U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.

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        • #5
          And he's still being paid his full paycheck
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          • #6
            Fuck that piece of shit. Should have sat his ass in front of a wall and let a firing squad do its work on him. Fuck him.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
              And he's still being paid his full paycheck
              That sucks too. Any normal UCMJ case would be easily finished now with the guilty at least making big rocks into little rocks in Leavenworth.
              Originally posted by MR EDD
              U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Downs View Post
                Fuck that piece of shit. Should have sat his ass in front of a wall and let a firing squad do its work on him. Fuck him.
                unacceptable. I think he should be beat to death in a chair.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ceyko View Post
                  That sucks too. Any normal UCMJ case would be easily finished now with the guilty at least making big rocks into little rocks in Leavenworth.
                  Actually, if the political pressure to drag this out past elections wasn't being used, it'd have been done, he'd been executed and we could do Manning next. Barry doesn't want this before the election
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                  • #10
                    I'm ignorant on this one. What does this issue have to do with any politician - until they get involved delaying it?
                    Originally posted by MR EDD
                    U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ceyko View Post
                      I'm ignorant on this one. What does this issue have to do with any politician - until they get involved delaying it?
                      After Obama took office, he told us that the WOT was over. Then this happened and he, while at a dinner he didn't deign to leave early, he said we shouldn't rush to conclusion and it was a workplace incident instead of terrorism.

                      Also, remember the hell Obama raised about the soldier who supposedly shot up 17 Afghanis? No trial, no "let's wait to find out the facts" it was instant. Hasan shoots up soldiers on our soil? We get a lecture on being reasonable
                      Last edited by Forever_frost; 06-20-2012, 03:15 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                        And he's still being paid his full paycheck
                        Gosh he has it better than union members. just for Frost.

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                        • #13
                          Even the worse of us gets due process. His ass will be dead soon enough.

                          I agree with the judge that he is still a soldier and has to shave but I'm concerned that the defense is trying to setup an appeal by saying they weren't allowed to present a proper defense. I think the tactic will ultimately fail but it will keep him alive longer.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
                            Gosh he has it better than union members. just for Frost.
                            Not really. Cops draw their pay while on 'administrative leave.' And this fucker is fully eligible for death. Let me know when you have union members up for that. How about those members who took over a freight yard, took a security guard hostage, destroyed trucks, flipped over bins of grain and cut the lines on traincars?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sgt Beavis View Post
                              Even the worse of us gets due process. His ass will be dead soon enough.

                              I agree with the judge that he is still a soldier and has to shave but I'm concerned that the defense is trying to setup an appeal by saying they weren't allowed to present a proper defense. I think the tactic will ultimately fail but it will keep him alive longer.
                              Oh they are. Defense said "It's because of his deeply held religious beliefs."

                              "You mean those beliefs he just recently developed"

                              "Yes."

                              "Cut it and you can come back in."

                              "You're saying he has a choice between obeying his religious beliefs or you?"

                              "He's a solider, he doesn't have that choice."
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