Indiana to allow shooting at cops

[Broncojohnny]

That's just flat out scary.

Imagine how many times it has happened and they didn't been caught.

[mikec]

Imagine how many times it has happened and they didn't get caught.

Look at how many innocent people have been put to death on death row for crimes they didn't commit. How many have been exonerated 20 and 30 years later, due to corrupt Law Enforcement. Sheet rock dust busts. Murders during arrests and detainments. Rapes, theft, and extortion. All have been proven and there are videos and articles all over the net to validate.

Is it tragic that the badge is often times nothing more than just a cover for crime, or just a statement on where we, as a society, just are? How do you prevent these happenings from coloring the efforts of the majority making up the 'good cops'?

[Broncojohnny]

Look at how many innocent people have been put to death on death row for crimes they didn't commit. How many have been exonerated 20 and 30 years later, due to corrupt Law Enforcement. Sheet rock dust busts. Murders during arrests and detainments. Rapes, theft, and extortion. All have been proven and there are videos and articles all over the net to validate.

Is it tragic that the badge is often times nothing more than just a cover for crime, or just a statement on where we, as a society, just are? How do you prevent these happenings from coloring the efforts of the majority making up the 'good cops'?

It's really easy Mike, you throw their ass in prison just like the criminals, that is what you do. No excuses.

[DON SVO]

Look at how many innocent people have been put to death on death row for crimes they didn't commit. How many have been exonerated 20 and 30 years later, due to corrupt Law Enforcement. Sheet rock dust busts. Murders during arrests and detainments. Rapes, theft, and extortion. All have been proven and there are videos and articles all over the net to validate.

Is it tragic that the badge is often times nothing more than just a cover for crime, or just a statement on where we, as a society, just are? How do you prevent these happenings from coloring the efforts of the majority making up the 'good cops'?

It's really easy Mike, you throw their ass in prison just like the criminals, that is what you do. No excuses.

As much as I dislike dirty cops (or dishonest people in any profession allowing power over others that cannot be matched equally), I think a lot of the bad ones (namely patrol guys effing up) are caught up in the moment. It's a high-stress job and suddenly, the guy you've been chasing for 30 minutes who plowed thru 4 mailboxes, sideswiped a couple parked cars and ignored every red light he ran hits a pole and stops. You haul him out and he's fighting like hell & Grabs at your gun belt as you're trying to cuff him and you grab his hair and smack his face into the hood of the car. He hits the dirt and convulses, bleeding from the mouth from the teeth you knocked out, and you realize you're on camera. Your own camera. The one in the cruiser you drive and pointed at the car you're stopping to protect you should the offender get crazy... and it's your own judge and jury.

The kicker is afterwards, do they lie to save their own skin or do what's right for the community they are supposedly serving???

Like Chris Rock said about OJ Simpson, "I'm not saying he shoulda killed her... but I understand!"

[Dlachance]

As a LEO, I don't like this law. Not that I stomp on civil liberties or don't follow the 4th amendment to best of my understanding, but this law will just get a bunch of people killed. Someone said it earlier, If LEOs are going into a house there will be a bunch of us. If shots are fired, there will be return fire until rounds stop coming. When LEOs enter a home they are not going in to kill, they are going into take control of the situation and serve the warrant. Now if entry is illegal then let the courts sort it out. If illegal all evidence gained will be thrown out and charges will be dropped. Even 100% guilty criminal all say they are absolutely innocent when every encountered by LE. So in their minds if they think they are innocent, then any entry is considered unlawful to them and they may start sending rounds down range. All you guys that think this is a good law, just understand you will be dead as well and won't be able to get on DFWmustangs.net and post how you defended your home and were justified. So be careful what you wish for.

All its going to take is one bad incident where a bunch of people die for this legislation to be repealed

As stated earlier I am for 100% for home owners to defend themselves and their property, but government is not going into someones home without probable cause and definitely not going in to kill the occupants.

Just my opinion.

You are 100% wrong. Being arrested and letting the courts sort things out will cause security clearance to be denied for people seeking positions of national security, regardless if they were in the right or wrong. There will be a record of an arrest and whatever else happens further which can screw someone over.

Dylan

[Forever_frost]

That's if you survive the encounter that you're not allowed to shoot at the attacker, plus the cost to repair your property (anyone want reports of PD's saying they weren't fixing the doors?) and the mental trauma from the incident

[mikec]

... and it's your own judge and jury.

The kicker is afterwards, do they lie to save their own skin or do what's right for the community they are supposedly serving???

Like Chris Rock said about OJ Simpson, "I'm not saying he shoulda killed her... but I understand!"

I agree with your post in it's entirety.

Though it addresses only one instance of my assertion. It goes deeper than just traffic stops. Which is why so many people no longer view the profession
as an honorable one. Heck, even my 68 year old Korean War Vet FIL looks down upon it, and he's damned near Clint Eastwood in Torino...

[Baba Ganoush]

I understand hustleman's argument.

Those motherfuckers might do something as retarded as change the numbering on their house and then claim the police were invading unlawfully, then they'd start shooting. This law is common sense, but the people he and other LEO's deal with on a daily basis are seriously lacking in that area. This is a stupid law in that it states something that should be understood in our society, but it also points to the rise in abuse of power and unwarranted jack booted tactics by all types of law enforcement.

[DON SVO]

I understand hustleman's argument.

Those motherfuckers might do something as retarded as change the numbering on their house and then claim the police were invading unlawfully, then they'd start shooting. This law is common sense, but the people he and other LEO's deal with on a daily basis are seriously lacking in that area. This is a stupid law in that it states something that should be understood in our society, but it also points to the rise in abuse of power and unwarranted jack booted tactics by all types of law enforcement.

You're very misinformed.

The law states that if your home is invaded, and you shoot the invaders... And the invaders happen to be LEO at the wrong address... You won't be charged with killing a peace officer. Nothing more. It does not clear you if they're serving a correct warrant.

[Baba Ganoush]

You're very misinformed.

The law states that if your home is invaded, and you shoot the invaders... And the invaders happen to be LEO at the wrong address... You won't be charged with killing a peace officer. Nothing more. It does not clear you if they're serving a correct warrant.

No, I understand it completely, and more than anything this law points to problems in our law enforcement,

I'm just stating that the dumb shits (you know, the "I know my rights!" people) out there that are LEGALLY and CORRECTLY being served with search warrants will think that somehow this law allows them the right to start shooting. That's what I would fear if I was a LEO currently. The average suspect in most day to day crimes is absolutely ignorant to their constitutional rights, and usually just go by what they heard from "they cuhzzin".

[ceyko]

No, I understand it completely, and more than anything this law points to problems in our law enforcement,

I'm just stating that the dumb shits (you know, the "I know my rights!" people) out there that are LEGALLY and CORRECTLY being served with search warrants will think that somehow this law allows them the right to start shooting. That's what I would fear if I was a LEO currently. The average suspect in most day to day crimes is absolutely ignorant to their constitutional rights, and usually just go by what they heard from "they cuhzzin".

We're going full circle again, but those folks likely are going to shoot anyway. By the same token, if Indiana has the Castle Doctrine - they could stand behind that too (With an ignorant knowledge of it - "It's my house, I know my rights!"). Does that make the Castle Doctrine a bad law too?

[Baba Ganoush]

Absolutely not. I am in total agreeance with both of these laws, it's just the average joe's interpretation that scares me.

[ceyko]

Absolutely not. I am in total agreeance with both of these laws, it's just the average joe's interpretation that scares me.

Yeah, I understand that angle. I just understand that it feels like more and more it about making laws to make easy to get bad guys that directly or indirectly screw the average Joe.

[Machx2]

I don't mind the law there. We shouldn't be entering wrong houses. I am sure soon we won't even go into houses at all lol. The big problem, in general, are hot calls. I've been to a sexual assault in progress at an apartment building, but couldn't tell which room it was coming from ("thin walls"). Game time decision, kick in the door (I actually just opened it, but kicking in sounded good), I got the right one. That is a "no knock" situation. I do think this law would help with other situations though. I knew what I signed up for and the possibility of dying anyhow, but I won't be going into the wrong house anyhow.

Edit to add on to the story. They apartment address was given, no apartment number. Neighbors just heard screaming and fighting and didn't know which apartment it was in as well. Basically, even with this law in Indiana, there is nothing I would have done differently. Other than maybe running over to the side of the building maybe to see if I can hear it over there. Who knows.