Indiana to allow shooting at cops

[Forever_frost]

With the guns id be using theyd have to at least scrape a few of those cops up with a spatula . if i was to go ahead and go that far, id go all the way

Well of course. Cops have already said that even if they're wrong and you're legally able to repel an invading and hostile force, they'll just keep coming and you're going to die. Well, if I am going to die, I already have a count on my soul. Adding to it doesn't bother me if it means that others don't have to deal with it.

My 500 would fold their body armor in half and shove it through the guy behind them. I prefer to live my life in peace. There's no reason to send anyone here so if someone is comign through my door, there is no legal reason to do so. Thus, my family and life are in danger.

[hustleman]

I've got nothing to say on this post besides "fuck you." If JBT's like you didn't kick down the wrong door and shoot people's animals.

Well I've never kicked down the wrong door, nor have I shot anyone's dog so not really sure for the fuck you comment. It's pretty evident you don't like police all together so it is what it is. If you read my initial comment I was just saying I think the law opens up a blood bath, therefore I don't like it. If you are content with shooting LE then so be it, just don't think you will have the opportunity worry about defending yourself in court.

Anyways as stated earlier it's my opinion so no need to get all mad like I'm butt raping your mother.

[hustleman]

Dude, it sounds like you expect to be able to hide behind your badge, and get away with murder for being in the wrong house, or not actually serving the warrants you carry. Wait a second, are you actually trying to defend no-knock warrants, and the emphasis on militarizing the police in this country?

Who ever said anything about me entering a house to kill. Only way I'm firing my weapon is if met with deadly force. I'm not entering any house with the expectation of killing someone unless met with life threatening force. So your stupid comment of hiding behind a badge make no sense. Warrant being served is signed by a judge therefore a third party has agreed there is PC to enter a house. If I'm ever dumb enough to enter the wrong house, I'm still not going in with the expectation that I'm just going to shoot someone randomly.


Why don't you ride out with me or any other LEO and see how we put ourselves out there each day and how little that badge actually covers us.

[71chevellejohn]

Anyways as stated earlier it's my opinion so no need to get all mad like I'm butt raping your mother.

You must have missed the point about getting shot for illegal entry....

[Armedtrigger01]

Regardless of right or wrong, someone is going to die. Exactly what I touched on above, but just a lot more "real" coming from an actual LEO. "They're going to kill you if you shoot at them."

Even if they're in the wrong. That should scare the hell out of everyone.

It is scary they kick in my door or force his way into my house while my wife is home alone because he is at the wrong address he is then an immediate threat to my family's safety and should be treated as a criminal and defended against as such. But what happens next is they come down and murder my whole family so they have time to fabricate evidence to defend their actions. The LEOs on this site and everywhere shouldn't be patronizing us for this attitude they should be turning to their fellow officers and agency's and helping to fix these fears and opinions and yes it happens law enforcement goes to the wrong address all the time and bad stuff happens because of it and people are murdered while the LEO that pulled the trigger goes home to his wife and has a beer and talks about how stressful his day has been when that psyco shot at him because he made a small mistake.

[stevo]

Well I've never kicked down the wrong door, nor have I shot anyone's dog so not really sure for the fuck you comment. It's pretty evident you don't like police all together so it is what it is. If you read my initial comment I was just saying I think the law opens up a blood bath, therefore I don't like it. If you are content with shooting LE then so be it, just don't think you will have the opportunity worry about defending yourself in court.

Anyways as stated earlier it's my opinion so no need to get all mad like I'm butt raping your mother.

Couple of questions, if you may.

If you do not kick in the wrong door, or do not do anything illegal as an officer, why would this law worry you? You have don't nothing wrong to warrant getting shot due to this law, so you will never have a worry, correct?

Why do you think this law will "open a blood bath"? If no law officer is doing anything illegal or unlawful, this law will not allow them to use deadly force against them.

Or, are you worried about the crooked cops, the sloppy cops, the lazy cops that are actually doing illegal acts and unlawful entries getting shot? I really hope you are not actively defending them, because personally, I think they deserve to get shot if they are abusing their power and putting the public in danger due to illegal acts, sloppiness or plain old laziness.

You kick the door in on a resident that knows he has done no wrong, due to you being too stupid or lazy to read a street address correctly, you deserve to get shot, since you have illegally conducted an armed home invasion without due reason. Your mistakes equal people getting killed. NOW, your mistakes will equal YOU getting killed, legally, and if you somehow don't die and kill the resident that was just protecting himself, you get to go to prison for murder. If you are attempting to back-up your fellow officers that screwed up and got shot at, you can be indicted for murder as well if the resident is killed, since you were there as an accessory to the crime. I think the latter is what has most officers pissing their pants, they will be held to the highest responsibility for their mistakes and illegal activities.

Stevo

[hustleman]

Couple of questions, if you may.

If you do not kick in the wrong door, or do not do anything illegal as an officer, why would this law worry you? You have don't nothing wrong to warrant getting shot due to this law, so you will never have a worry, correct?

Why do you think this law will "open a blood bath"? If no law officer is doing anything illegal or unlawful, this law will not allow them to use deadly force against them.

Or, are you worried about the crooked cops, the sloppy cops, the lazy cops that are actually doing illegal acts and unlawful entries getting shot? I really hope you are not actively defending them, because personally, I think they deserve to get shot if they are abusing their power and putting the public in danger due to illegal acts, sloppiness or plain old laziness.

You kick the door in on a resident that knows he has done no wrong, due to you being too stupid or lazy to read a street address correctly, you deserve to get shot, since you have illegally conducted an armed home invasion without due reason. Your mistakes equal people getting killed. NOW, your mistakes will equal YOU getting killed, legally, and if you somehow don't die and kill the resident that was just protecting himself, you get to go to prison for murder. If you are attempting to back-up your fellow officers that screwed up and got shot at, you can be indicted for murder as well if the resident is killed, since you were there as an accessory to the crime. I think the latter is what has most officers pissing their pants, they will be held to the highest responsibility for their mistakes and illegal activities.

Stevo

I just feel this law will have some individuals interpreting it wrong. They will hear it from a friend "hey did hear you can shoot the police if you feel they entered your house unlawfully." "oh really, well the police should never be in my house so any entry is unlawful in my eyes."

I think this law will open this type of mentality and there will be a blood bath as a result. There are a lot of ignorant people out there and when I say that I don't mean anyone on this website.

[Forever_frost]

I just feel this law will have some individuals interpreting it wrong. They will hear it from a friend "hey did hear you can shoot the police if you feel they entered your house unlawfully." "oh really, well the police should never be in my house so any entry is unlawful in my eyes."

I think this law will open this type of mentality and there will be a blood bath as a result. There are a lot of ignorant people out there and when I say that I don't mean anyone on this website.

And we just 'feel' that the LEO mentality puts citizens at risk as has been repeatedly shown by the execution of family pets, destruction of private property without warrant, in one instance, chainsawing through a door because they had the address wrong, and so forth. You kick in tha tdoor knowing that you're wearing a badge and have backup. The citizen inside doesn't have that. They have them and whatever is at hand. You're busting through the door without cause? I fully expect every one of those intruders to take one in the head.

If police don't break the law and kick in innocent civilians doors, there's nothing to worry about right? I mean, if you're not breaking the law, this doesn't apply to you. Isn't that the arguement?

[SMEGMA STENCH]

Im sure there is something that they could pass that would make all this a non issue . Like if the cops raid the wrong house, the city automatically has to pay the people a million dollars . No ifs ands or buts . No one would shoot at the cops cause theyd be thinking about all the money they were about to receive . And the cops wouldnt do it cause whoever was responsible would be out of job very shortly im sure . They mayor would probly personally come fire them . Cities generally dont like to just lose a million on something stupid .

[SS Junk]

I just feel this law will have some individuals interpreting it wrong. They will hear it from a friend "hey did hear you can shoot the police if you feel they entered your house unlawfully." "oh really, well the police should never be in my house so any entry is unlawful in my eyes."

As already stated, if you have the correct house then you don't have anything to worry about. Just as simple as that. Kind of a motherfucker when the tables are turned, right?

[mikec]

Im sure there is something that they could pass that would make all this a non issue . Like if the cops raid the wrong house, the city automatically has to pay the people a million dollars . No ifs ands or buts . No one would shoot at the cops cause theyd be thinking about all the money they were about to receive . And the cops wouldnt do it cause whoever was responsible would be out of job very shortly im sure . They mayor would probly personally come fire them . Cities generally dont like to just lose a million on something stupid .

[YALE]

Who ever said anything about me entering a house to kill. Only way I'm firing my weapon is if met with deadly force. I'm not entering any house with the expectation of killing someone unless met with life threatening force. So your stupid comment of hiding behind a badge make no sense. Warrant being served is signed by a judge therefore a third party has agreed there is PC to enter a house. If I'm ever dumb enough to enter the wrong house, I'm still not going in with the expectation that I'm just going to shoot someone randomly.


Why don't you ride out with me or any other LEO and see how we put ourselves out there each day and how little that badge actually covers us.

How is it you aren't entering a house to kill, but you are entering with a gun drawn? And furthermore, my beef isn't with served warrants. I fully support the system in place, when it's used properly. The beef I have is with no-knock warrants, because, to my mind, those aren't actually served. How am I to determine that something wasn't cooked up post-hoc to cover you?

EDIT: I'd like to mention that, in general, the police have my support and cooperation. I am not a violent man, and do not want to use weapons on other human beings. If that choice is taken away from me unjustly, though, I should have a legal recourse to defend myself. I should not be penalized for surviving an unlawful attack from another person or group of persons, regardless of their legal status. Further, their legal status should not afford them the right to abuse me or my household in any way. What isn't clear about that perspective?

[Cooter]

this discussion ends when it's been documented that criminals use the no-knock SWAT storm method of home invasion dressed as LEO's. The citizens need to be able to protect themselves from that sort of attack, and LEO's need to not use it.

DONE

[mikec]

Statistically, is it safer to do a felony stop on a subject, or kick in a door?

Pretty sure we all know the answer to that question. That said, Why do police like to kick in doors serving no knock warrants?

Because it makes them feel tough, or more like a badass?

And I second Yale's disclaimer.

[ceyko]

If police don't break the law and kick in innocent civilians doors, there's nothing to worry about right? I mean, if you're not breaking the law, this doesn't apply to you. Isn't that the arguement?

In my opinion one of the problems is they make the laws (or try to) so it's easier to bust the scum. So lets say scum = 15% of our population it really screws the other 85% of us in various ways. Granted, cops deal with that 15% 90% of the time so I get that, but I think they lose sight of everyone else.

Then the law abiding citizens who have to deal with a (just making numbers up here) 5-15% error rate are doubly fucked when their house is busted up and who knows what else - and they are lucky if they get a "Oopps...sorry" out of it.

It's something I'm seeing more and more or at least noticing - laws/rules and such are done to support a small group of things/people instead of what is best for the majority.

hustleman fails to put himself in our shoes. I could see cops doing something on any house - that is an error. He says he won't fire without meeting deadly force. Well, a homeowner does have the right to draw down on someone busting down their door.

Many ways this could play out when hustleman see me (i.e. homeowners) running downstairs with a gun. Whether I shoot first or not, I'm probably fucked. If I do shoot first and somehow live, I'm fucked. In my opinion this Indiana law is to help protect me after the fact (If I lived in Indiana). Because right now, I think it would be a bitch to explain "How the fuck am I supposed to know it's real cops busting into my house? Just minding my own business, doing nothing illegal and strangers yelling "POLICE!" barge into my house with kids and a wife."

Laws are all about controlling us citizens. It would be nice to have some that protect us from police/other f'ups as well. I want every officer from the bottom up to make SURE it is the right house. I don't want them to be able to fry a citizen for their mistake, because in this day and age - if you're behaving - you can't be sure it's actually the police coming through the door.

In fact, with my squeaky clean background I'd have every reason to assume it is not a real cop.