Romney & Son Investigated For 8 Billion Ponzi Scheme

[Denny]

There's no guarantee a republican wins this time around. Rand was speaking here in Dallas (yesterday?) on behalf of the republicans and their alternative health-care plan (to Barry-Care). I like Rand Paul a lot, and I think him and others like him (Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio), are the future of the republican party.

I was going off Matt's scenario

[Forever_frost]

And personally, I think Paul Ryan would kick all of their asses. He's actually put forth budgets.

[Denny]

Then explain how I'm off. I said the states have the power to secede if they have the power to enforce it. I'm very right on that. Just because you have more forces does not make you in the right.

And in 4 more years, Paul will be so old he'll never be on any ticket again. Besides, he's flopped "I'm a Republican", "No, I'm not." "Yes I am..." over and over. Just depends on what will get him votes.

So he's taken different routes, so what? Name ONE of his stances or views that he has flopped on?

States can make laws and/or enforce laws that are not being covered at the Federal level. I think you're reading it wrong, or listening to the wrong source.

[Denny]

And personally, I think Paul Ryan would kick all of their asses. He's actually put forth budgets.

But would he be what is best for the country?

[Forever_frost]

But would he be what is best for the country?

His budgets are. Other than that? We need someone who is willing to stand up to our enemies and actually fight a war if we get into one. Not go on apology tours while bowing and calling the actions of our soldiers disgraceful.

[Forever_frost]

So he's taken different routes, so what? Name ONE of his stances or views that he has flopped on?

States can make laws and/or enforce laws that are not being covered at the Federal level. I think you're reading it wrong, or listening to the wrong source.

States can make and enforce laws that are not granted to the federal government expressly. That's the very words of the 10th amendment. However to believe that the states do not have the right to break from the union is to deny the wording of the Declaration of Independence. Namely:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

[Denny]

His budgets are. Other than that? We need someone who is willing to stand up to our enemies and actually fight a war if we get into one. Not go on apology tours while bowing and calling the actions of our soldiers disgraceful.

What makes you think Paul won't? He'll be the only one to utilize our military properly. I figured you would appreciate that more than most. Please, seriously go back and research him.

States can make and enforce laws that are not granted to the federal government expressly. That's the very words of the 10th amendment. However to believe that the states do not have the right to break from the union is to deny the wording of the Declaration of Independence. Namely:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

They do NOT have any right to secede, period.

[Tyron Shulaces]

I don't give a damn about Romney. He's the ONLY guy that has a chance to beat Barry, and that's all I care about at this point. Barry has got to go.

ding fries are done!

[Forever_frost]

What makes you think Paul won't? He'll be the only one to utilize our military properly. I figured you would appreciate that more than most. Please, seriously go back and research him.

They do NOT have any right to secede, period.

Yes, we do. It's a natural right to be able to break bonds with those who no longer have your best interests in mind. Declaration of Independence

[Forever_frost]

Thomas Jefferson in his First Inaugural Address said, “If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left to combat it.” Fifteen years later, after the New England Federalists attempted to secede, Jefferson said, “If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation … to a continuance in the union …. I have no hesitation in saying, ‘Let us separate.’”

At Virginia’s ratification convention, the delegates said, “The powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression.” In Federalist Paper 39, James Madison, the father of the Constitution, cleared up what “the people” meant, saying the proposed Constitution would be subject to ratification by the people, “not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong.” In a word, states were sovereign; the federal government was a creation, an agent, a servant of the states.

http://capitalismmagazine.com/2002/04/do-states-have-a-right-of-secession/

[Denny]

ding fries are done!

LMFAO!!!

Yes, we do. It's a natural right to be able to break bonds with those who no longer have your best interests in mind. Declaration of Independence

Go ahead and see where that thought will get ya. BTW, your source is skewed too.

[Denny]

It's a union for a reason, Frosty. Notice the last sentence starting with "In a word..."

That means, "What I believe this to mean..."

[Vertnut]

Unless you were around in '84 (like me), folks won't remember that Phil Gramm (a newly "reformed" republican from the democrat party) beat the piss out of RP in a senate race primary. So here's a guy who's idea's and philosophy, can't win a senate seat in his own state, but there are those that think he can take on Barry in a national race?

[matts5.0]

what makes you think romney can, he looked like a fool in all the debates, and they were easy on him.

[Forever_frost]

It's a union for a reason, Frosty. Notice the last sentence starting with "In a word..."

That means, "What I believe this to mean..."

A union of sovereign states. Or do you believe that the 10th amendment does not exist? The states are sovereign with powers that exist concerning anything not expressly granted to the federal government. There is no federal power to prevent states from leaving the union in the Constitution