US staff sergeant kills 16 Afghan civilians

[Forever_frost]

Yeah, if you're like me on this one - you understand why he may have snapped but you're still expecting him to be punished as seen fit via a court martial.

Likely, he's going to spend the rest of his life making big rocks into little rocks.

For those that want to hand him over, obviously have never been in a foreign country in these situations.

1. We owe it to him and others who come under scrutiny by the locals to handle it internally.

2. If we just handed US citizens over to the locals, NO military or civilians would be as willing to support these missions. Especially civilians which make up a good portion of the support structure and supplement the force. I've been in 1 situation where I would've been f'ed if I ended up in a local prison w/o NATO/US backing - and that was over just a car accident with an injury. Much-less murder..etc. Point is, we can't turn our backs on our people, regardless of the crime in these situations.

3. What he supposedly did was heinous, no doubt. However, we owe it to him to hear him out on our/America/UCMJ terms.

I don't see convicting him. I see a lot of counseling and mental help and such but not imprisonment. I mean if an asshole can drink and drive and kill 2 being perfectly healthy, then this man should get off with nothing more than VA care and mandatory counseling

[KBScobravert]

I don't see convicting him. I see a lot of counseling and mental help and such but not imprisonment. I mean if an asshole can drink and drive and kill 2 being perfectly healthy, then this man should get off with nothing more than VA care and mandatory counseling

Bullshit. Wrong is wrong "crazy" or not.

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[Forever_frost]

Bullshit. Wrong is wrong "crazy" or not.

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Oh it's wrong but as our resident officers point out "extenuating circumstances.' He's been blown up twice, nominated for the Bronze star, seen 4 years plus in combat and saw his brother blown up the day before. If there is a reason to snap, there you have it.

[KBScobravert]

Oh it's wrong but as our resident officers point out "extenuating circumstances.' He's been blown up twice, nominated for the Bronze star, seen 4 years plus in combat and saw his brother blown up the day before. If there is a reason to snap, there you have it.

Nobody murders a person without "snapping". The basic act of murder in itself is not commited by a sane person.

I have been blown up, can I go do something illegal and try and use it as my defense? Leave murder off the table, say something like slapping my wife? NO, wrong is wrong.

None of these acronyms should be a defense to prosecuition for anything, much less MURDER and even much less MURDERING 16 people.

being diag. or claiming a mental acronym is the reason for an action is rediculous.

[svauto-erotic855]

Actually a TBI is quite a bit worse than a concussion. Hell, the VA bases disability ratings on it and there are new studies that show how an explosion changes your brain chemistry and structure.

From someone who has a severe tbi

Just got off the phone with my buddy who is a neurologist. He told me that TBI is the damage caused by a sever concussion. The ones caused by an explosion are far worse then ones you get from a normal whack to the head because the shock wave pass through the entire brain and the skull flexing causing impact injuries also.

Still don't see TBI being enough of a defense to keep this guy from hanging.

[Forever_frost]

Just got off the phone with my buddy who is a neurologist. He told me that TBI is the damage caused by a sever concussion. The ones caused by an explosion are far worse then ones you get from a normal whack to the head because the shock wave pass through the entire brain and the skull flexing causing impact injuries also.

Still don't see TBI being enough of a defense to keep this guy from hanging.

With the pressure Obama is putting on the system to fry him? No. He'll get popped. However if it was a fair trial? He'd spend years getting help and then get on with his life. Combine that with PTSD, an injury by explosion (loss of foot) and the trauma of seeing his friend killed the day before? That's a defense attorney's wet dream

[The King]

Hand him over to the Afghans to be tried - he walked off the base on his own to commit these murders.

No, never willingly allow any American troops to be subject to foreign prosecution.

[Lason]

I don't see convicting him. I see a lot of counseling and mental help and such but not imprisonment. I mean if an asshole can drink and drive and kill 2 being perfectly healthy, then this man should get off with nothing more than VA care and mandatory counseling

I dont think that is a good comparison. Someone killing people unintentionally vs planning out a mass murder are two different things.

I heard this morning on the news that this guy also had been previously ordered by judges to complete anger mgmt classes so I doubt he is as innocent as many would lead to believe.

As gruesome as I think this is, I havent ever stepped in the mans shoes so I dont really have a comment on what his punishment is.

[SS Junk]

Tried by US courts and put to death in a US prison.

[Forever_frost]

I dont think that is a good comparison. Someone killing people unintentionally vs planning out a mass murder are two different things.

I heard this morning on the news that this guy also had been previously ordered by judges to complete anger mgmt classes so I doubt he is as innocent as many would lead to believe.

As gruesome as I think this is, I havent ever stepped in the mans shoes so I dont really have a comment on what his punishment is.

Getting drunk and slamming your car into people because you are going down the wrong way down a highway IS different than actions engaged in while being mentally compromised in a war zone. In one instance you expect to be safe (in your car, driving down the highway) in the other you're in a war zone.

I didn't say he was innocent. He admitted he did it. He was ordered to take these classes and was told he wouldn't deploy again and what happened? Despite injury, mental illness and repeated trauma, he was deployed again. This is his chain of command's fault. He should be put in a mental health facility.


Oh, and the argument that is used on illegals: What about the children? Why should they be targeted because of what their father did? His name gets out and they are going to be dead. Not just them, the mother, the guy's parents and so forth.

His name should NEVER be released

[Forever_frost]

Tried by US courts and put to death in a US prison.

You mean military tribunal

[SS Junk]

Whatever the case may be, he needs to die.

[Forever_frost]

Whatever the case may be, he needs to die.

How do you figure? The military system will handle him. War is hell and you put troops in the theater, you can't get pissed when there are splash damage casualties

[SS Junk]

Don't care what he's gone through. His problems don't equate to taking 16 lives. Many others have been through hell in wartime. You do not see them doing the same thing. He needs to pay with his life.

[Forever_frost]

Don't care what he's gone through. His problems don't equate to taking 16 lives. Many others have been through hell in wartime. You do not see them doing the same thing. He needs to pay with his life.

Actually, you do. And I don't recall obama calling for the full force of the law used against Hasan. He was telling us to "wait to pass judgement." Tell you what, head to theater for 4 rotations, get hit by 2 IED's, get a TBI (actual brain structural and chemical changes), PTSD and go missing half your foot THEN see your brother killed the day before and tell me what you'll do. Tell me you won't go looking for a pound of flesh.

He's going to burn because Obama wants him to. He should be sent to a mental health facility because if there's any case on earth for temporary insanity, this is it.