Wtf

[kingjason]

"who filed a lawsuit against police who followed him into his house while they were responding to a domestic dispute Barnes had with his wife.”

I kind of find this humerous because a cop once tried to just walk into my house after a noise complaint while i was answering the door.
I just stood there face to face with him holding the door like WTF?
I was amazed this he just thought it was O K to walk all over people and their rights.
I filed a complaint with the PD he worked with , recorded a statement and everything .
They did nothing im sure. he further harrassed me while i lived there.

All because he wanted to trample my rights

You really just compared a noise complaint to a family violence call? Don't get me wrong I would never just walk up in someones house on a noise complaint but I think we can agree it is not the same.

The no knocks are usually about drugs. If you gently knocked on the door they could flush it all down the toilet. I am not a huge war on drugs guy but I get why the warrants are that way.

Dallas County no longer takes our at large warrants until we have tried to do serve them a few times and document it. We had 37 in city warrants on our board in the back of briefing and one day myself and another guy decided we were going to have a warrant round up. Two to three of us just went house to house and ended up clearing 31 of them in three working days. No fights, no drama, just hey you got a warrant lets go. It did freak some people out in the department we were serving felony warrants this way but most of them had forgotten or did not even realize they had a warrant. When they were talking about serving thousands of warrants and no incidents I am sure thats kinda the same thing they are doing. Big difference in a search warrant and warrant for arrest.

[stevo]

Wow. If this law ever passed in Texas, would be scary just to knock on a door if I thought the home owner had a free shot on me, just because he has the right to shot me for being on his property..... There will be a lot of injured home owners...you pull a weapon on me at work good chance I take that as deadly action against me... We will shoot first. At the end of the day I go home to my family. There no second place in my line of work....scary scary

No, you get shot (legally, I may add, if you are making a mistake) and die and your children fatherless at the worst, or go to prison where you get pounded in the ass hourly for being a cop at best.

No more free rides for holier-than-thou jack-booted thugs that think they can walk the earth like the fucking Jolly Green Giant with legal immunity. Deal with it, the ultimate accountability law may be coming to a state near you.

Stevo

[Sgt Beavis]

While I'm all for applying limits to police power, I also would caution that, that particular law is pretty dangerous as written.

Still, if it does pass, it will be very interesting to see how things turn out for law enforcement and the public at large.

As I've stated before, I "LOVE" police officers. 99%+ of these men and women are damn fine folks. One of my very good friends at church is a cop and he's a truly decent person that cares about his community. However I think the police do themselves a great disservice by doing too much to protect the douche bags that exist among them. If police officers and their unions would be less tolerant of those people, they would find the public a bit more trusting of them.

[Forever_frost]

While I'm all for applying limits to police power, I also would caution that, that particular law is pretty dangerous as written.

Still, if it does pass, it will be very interesting to see how things turn out for law enforcement and the public at large.

As I've stated before, I "LOVE" police officers. 99%+ of these men and women are damn fine folks. One of my very good friends at church is a cop and he's a truly decent person that cares about his community. However I think the police do themselves a great disservice by doing too much to protect the douche bags that exist among them. If police officers and their unions would be less tolerant of those people, they would find the public a bit more trusting of them.

I'll agree with this. Most police I've interacted with are great people. Problem comes when they refuse to police themselves, when the departments protect bad cops and citizens die or are victimized. When cops get an address wrong and shoot up an innocent citizen's home and there are no repercussions or if you get manhandled or threatened at gun point and a cop threatens to make shit up to arrest you because he doesn't like your attitude (the ricer guy who caught the cop saying he'd come up with a dozen reasons he could make up on the spot to arrest him) and the worst thing that happens is he gets released from teh job is the problem. Police aren't held to the same standard we are. They are protected, coddled and screened from the public at large.

A cop shoots you, he gets time off or fired. You shoot a cop, you go to prison for killing a LEO. Cop shoots your dogs, no biggie. No apology. You shoot their dog, it's killing a LEO. They straight up lie to you about smelling something in your car or start fishing for a reason to go through your stuff? No deal. You decide to go through their car that your tax dollars pay for? HOly shit.

[jewozzy]

While I understand and agree that this is bad, to a degree, here is an interesting article on police kicking in a door, the guy shooting them, and then possibly catching a case. Kinda scary that 30 officers went in, fired 28 shots into this mans home (with family inside) and didn't hit anyone.

Oh, WRONG ADDRESS...

Interestingly enough, if you read down in that thread an officer tells of his agency, which serves 8000-10,000 warrants a year (with ZERO no knocks), and have never lost an officer and only killed one person.

Seems like eliminating no knocks would be an easy way to eliminate most of the situations in which you guys could get shot at when a residence is involved. Not all, but most.

There is also a valid point made on anyone being able to buy uniforms off ebay and shout police as they come through the door. Sadly, this debate can go both ways with ease...

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/i.../t-324288.html

I'm gunna call bullshit on those stats. There's no way they are serving that amount of search warrants. Maybe they mean regular felony warrants...

[SMEGMA STENCH]

Post of the fucking month, by the way.

I think i am going to put it in my sig....

[mikec]

I'm gunna call bullshit on those stats. There's no way they are serving that amount of search warrants. Maybe they mean regular felony warrants...

No clue man. I just copy/pasted it. Does sound like a lot though...

[Baba Ganoush]

So what if you knock and they flush the drugs, wouldn't that be considered a victory? Drugs are gone, alleged drug dealer loses money. No drug dealer tying up the court system or burning more taxpayer dollars rotting in a 5'x7'.

Shit, if the gestapo thinks they can kick down any door, then why don't they just go knocking on every known drug dealers' home daily and listen for the flush, laugh and go eat some Subway? Oh that's right, they want to get their long guns out and play billy badass with the flash bangs and tactical gear, all while filming their latest cable TV smash hit.

Some LEO's idea of there job duties is so freakin' warped nowa-days.

[kingjason]

So what if you knock and they flush the drugs, wouldn't that be considered a victory? Drugs are gone, alleged drug dealer loses money. No drug dealer tying up the court system or burning more taxpayer dollars rotting in a 5'x7'.

Shit, if the gestapo thinks they can kick down any door, then why don't they just go knocking on every known drug dealers' home daily and listen for the flush, laugh and go eat some Subway? Oh that's right, they want to get their long guns out and play billy badass with the flash bangs and tactical gear, all while filming their latest cable TV smash hit.

Some LEO's idea of there job duties is so freakin' warped nowa-days.

Some are in it for the glory I am sure. Here is my take on why the war on drugs is important. I realize there are a lot of people that believe what you do with your body is your choice and to a point I am good with that. Let me go ahead and throw out there that I am not really talking about marijuana as much as I am the hard stuff that is manufactured. I have seen what this shit does to people and the lives it has ruined. I have seen young, very attractive girls (think someone’s daughter), get hooked on this shit, and slowly circle the drain. It starts with just a little bit and they start getting in trouble, running away, etc. Then the next thing you know they are whoring at the local motel. All they want is the next fix and will do anything to get it. They end up dead, or with aids, and everything else you can imagine. Most have several kids that grand ma is raising etc. Don’t get me wrong marijuana slowly fucks up a lot of people to but I have seen alcohol do the same thing. The hard drugs fuck up people fast and most never recover. We had a guy on the south end of town that was a head guy for a government agency everyone hates, making six figures. I met him about 2002 when I first got into LE and he was a nice guy, had a smoking hot wife, several nice cars and bikes, and lived in a 4000 square foot house on a dead end road. He was calling because he believed someone was messing with a vacant house that was on his property. I didn’t catch it then but the paranoia had started to set in. Right about 2004 he called again about strange things happening and told me his wife had left him and he was not allowed to see his child. I knew something was off but couldn’t put my finger on it. Somewhere in 2006 I get a call at his address and my call card read that the guy thought his friends that stayed with him overnight were going to try and rob him. I thought in my head that it sounded like a crack head call. I got down there and the house was all fucked up, drug paraphernalia all over the place, and a guy and his whore were staying with him. He told me he had picked them up last night and thought they were about to rob him. When we got them out of there he started telling me how he was all fucked up and had lost everything. Told me he started doing crack in Malaysia and had a girlfriend back there he was in love with and needed to get back to her and her kids. The house was all screwed up, pool was green, no vehicle but his VRod. Next thing we know he was living with a bunch of prostitutes in a little house on the north end of town and then finally he disappeared. Last I heard he sold the big house (was paid for), and got his money for a ticket back to Malaysia. I figured this girl that was working him for money probably had him disposed of when he got back over there. There was guy in DeSoto that was a prominent lawyer and the same thing happened to him. When they found him dead in his house all that was left was a kitchen table and refrigerator. I have many many stories like this but this is just a good example. We are not all in it for the glory. The guys that have been around for a while have seen the long term effects of this stuff on people. I can’t even put a number on the young girls I have seen go to hell because of that shit. Not to mention the networking, guns, and fights that shit has that goes hand and hand with it putting you and your family in danger every day and you just don’t know it.

I know, I know, blah blah blah who gives a shit right? I am on vacation and bored so I just figured I would try to add a little perspective from my side of the fence.

[mikec]

Good story man. Not that it matters, but it took my little brother. In the process of taking my nephew.

It's jacked up for sure.

[Baba Ganoush]

That's good stuff man, and I commend you on your job, and admire your ability to maintain some solace in the face of the worst side of human nature.



I hope you enjoy your vacation!



When you get back, I hope you do your best to bring a more positive light on your profession. Some of our worst criminals wear a badge, or a robe, or read from a teleprompter.

[tazz007]

You guys don't get it.

A no knock warrant is Constitutionally illegal! Read the 4th amendment.

So to solve all of this. GET RID OF NO KNOCK WARRANTS!

To simple right?

So why would they introduce something like this? Think long and hard about this one. What would be easier? getting rid of a B.S. no knock warrant policy. or creating a flood of controversy with new laws to counter the no knock warrants?

Killing is not the way to go. Setting up a situation where killing is inevitable is just evil at best.

With that being said. I don't care if you have a uniform or not. You kick down my door with weapons in hand. I will be defending my home, family, and my god given constitutionally backed right to defend myself.....Period.

If your a cop and do not like this....No problem. Don't kick down my door. I go to work and come home every day. Stop me on the way. Problem solved.