Wtf

[racrguy]

The hypothetical set of circumstances mentioned in the article concerning officers entering a home to stop a woman form being murdered by her husband is just inflammatory rhetoric to put the law in a bad light.

This law was passed in response to a group of officers who were working hand in hand with a local gang to do home invasion robberies. Just imagine your home being invaded by a gang of armed criminals and their leader and first one through the door is a real police officer in uniform. Two of the officers involved are dead and one is in prison. The group is suspected in several homicides and 40 + robberies.

If what you say is true (I don't feel like fact checking right now)

"They're cops, they don't need to be policed and put in check."

[svauto-erotic855]

This law is sort of like the concealed carry permits. They just say that you can do something that has always been legal to do. Resisting unlawful aggression is a natural right that existed before the writing of the Constitution and the Constitution and Bill of Rights merely affirms those natural rights.

The original state court ruling that sparked this said that if an officer commits a criminal act against you, you have no recourse under criminal law (qualified immunity), you cannot resist an unlawful act and your only recourse is to pursue a civil case, if (Big if) you have the means to do so.

The law gained further support because a few black sheep(they really were black) officers abused the power entrusted to them.

Just thought to ad this link. I can provide many, many more of the same type of thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston_shooting

[Whiteboy]

No knock isnt good. If someone starts kicking my door in i'm shooting.

Hell if you want me just knock and let me know I'm wanted i'd go without any problems.

[Jimbo]

I'm actually at a loss trying to understand how ANYONE can think that illegally crashing through someone's front door, locked and loaded and unannounced won't result in the homeowner defending his family with the most force available? Why should police get a pass on that one?

[Cooter]

Let this shit go nation wide and watch all LEO walk away from the job. Then we can return to the wild wild west.

promise!??!

[Forever_frost]

I'm actually at a loss trying to understand how ANYONE can think that illegally crashing through someone's front door, locked and loaded and unannounced won't result in the homeowner defending his family with the most force available? Why should police get a pass on that one?

Exactly my point. Police have been given more and more power to invade your life, bust down your door and fuck things up. When they're wrong, you don't even get an apology. And while the city takes their merry time, you have dead animals, you have doors blown or cut off the hinges and your house destroyed. It's time to reign in the police and make them public SERVANTS once more.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

If the cops aren't doing anything wrong, they have nothing to worry about, right?

Stevo

...and the tables have turned...

[AnthonyS]

According to the Evansville Courier Press, the bill is a response to a decision made by the Indiana Supreme Court in 2011. “The court ruled that homeowners do not have the right to use force against law enforcement officials who they believe are illegally entering their homes. That decision came in the case of Richard Barnes, who filed a lawsuit against police who followed him into his house while they were responding to a domestic dispute Barnes had with his wife.”



So you guys are ok with this. I have not read up on the story but if get get called for a domestic we should just walk away when someone goes in the house?

Let this shit go nation wide and watch all LEO walk away from the job. Then we can return to the wild wild west.

The wild wild west was far safer than the police state we have today. Confusing hyperbole with reality doesn't help your argument.

[slow99]

If the cops aren't doing anything wrong, they have nothing to worry about, right?

Stevo

Post of the fucking month, by the way.

[futant]

wow i came here thinking i had something to post and I found everyone repeating the same mantra i have been for years .

Any one can act like a cop, I have a right to be served a warrant PEACEFULLY.
This combined with all the police acting like uber tactical bafoons kicking in doors (mostly in the name of drugs) for 40 years now with rubber stamp judges...
you get the point...

even criminals caught on, and are now using this as a weapon to burglarize ppl and worse.

The police and LEO's brought this on themselves.
I too want them to be able to do their job. In a way that leaves everyone alive at the end of the day.
Sadly when 99.9% of the time just knocking on the door and serving the warrant NON AGGRESSIVELY would have sufficed.

[futant]

"who filed a lawsuit against police who followed him into his house while they were responding to a domestic dispute Barnes had with his wife.”

I kind of find this humerous because a cop once tried to just walk into my house after a noise complaint while i was answering the door.
I just stood there face to face with him holding the door like WTF?
I was amazed this he just thought it was O K to walk all over people and their rights.
I filed a complaint with the PD he worked with , recorded a statement and everything .
They did nothing im sure. he further harrassed me while i lived there.

All because he wanted to trample my rights

[mikec]

Post of the fucking month, by the way.

Followed closely by yours in the other thread...

[ceyko]

The police and LEO's brought this on themselves.

I also feel our prison system contributes more than we may think. I have no way to prove it and neither do I care to really.

However, there is no rehabilitation. I know people like the warm and fuzzy, like they go in and have counselors with them and make new fishing buddies.

That's not reality.

So why don't we quit screwing around? We have plenty of prisons, yank out the warm fuzzy stuff, reconfigure for single person cells, with a small space and make it as horrible as possible. I know this maybe counter productive to an extent.

However, as it is now they continue with the gang affiliations, grow their connections, and interfere with those who may of just screwed up and should server 1-3 years and be done.

You make it much less of a social situation, keep them out of touch with their old life and make the place a living hell with discipline and structure that is strictly enforced. (Yes, there will be abuse here too, but to an extent I do not care as much as I should)

Maybe for folks with 1-10 year sentences, give an opportunity for some education if they EARN it by good behavior and some payments. Work the rest 8 hours a day - again under strict rules and discipline.

There is no privacy, there are no real rights. They will be given food, water, basic medical and will earn it all by helping to reduce their burden on the tax payers supporting their sorry asses.

May not be 100% on track here and people do screw up. The generally principle still applies to everyone.

[SaTx04Lightning]

Wow. If this law ever passed in Texas, would be scary just to knock on a door if I thought the home owner had a free shot on me, just because he has the right to shot me for being on his property..... There will be a lot of injured home owners...you pull a weapon on me at work good chance I take that as deadly action against me... We will shoot first. At the end of the day I go home to my family. There no second place in my line of work....scary scary

[Forever_frost]

Wow. If this law ever passed in Texas, would be scary just to knock on a door if I thought the home owner had a free shot on me, just because he has the right to shot me for being on his property..... There will be a lot of injured home owners...you pull a weapon on me at work good chance I take that as deadly action against me... We will shoot first. At the end of the day I go home to my family. There no second place in my line of work....scary scary

If you knock, identify yourself and have a warrant, you're fine. There is currently nothing stopping from someone inside the house shooting you right now. Yes it's against the law, but so is shooting anyone without reason.

What you're saying is if I pull a weapon on you, I'm dead and even if I live, I'm under the jail but you pull one on me, it's fine and you get a slap on the back and a good job and I still am under the jail.

At the end of the day, you want to go home? Make sure you have a LEGAL reason to be there, have a warrant and follow the law. Because at the end of the day? I'm tucking my kid into bed at night and no power mad LEO is going to kick in my door without reason and drawing on me without me defending myself and my family.



Edit: And I've seen how most cops shoot. In a shootout, my money is on the home owner, not the cops who empty 200 rounds towards someone and don't hit a thing.