Wtf

[kingjason]

Right now as it stands if I shoot someone that is shooting at me and kill them then I will have a case filed on me for murder. If I kick in the wrong door, without identifying myself, and get shot by the homeowner the same thing would apply to the homeowner. So whats the problem? More then likely if he is justified in court then he will walk.

[EW]

According to the Evansville Courier Press, the bill is a response to a decision made by the Indiana Supreme Court in 2011. “The court ruled that homeowners do not have the right to use force against law enforcement officials who they believe are illegally entering their homes. That decision came in the case of Richard Barnes, who filed a lawsuit against police who followed him into his house while they were responding to a domestic dispute Barnes had with his wife.”



So you guys are ok with this. I have not read up on the story but if get get called for a domestic we should just walk away when someone goes in the house?

Let this shit go nation wide and watch all LEO walk away from the job. Then we can return to the wild wild west.

idk...don't go to the wrong house?

[kingjason]

idk...don't go to the wrong house?

They followed the guy into his house during a domestic.

[ceyko]

You are missing what they are arguing in this law the most.

For example, if a police officer is walking by a home and a woman screams because her husband is beating her mercilessly, there isn’t time to wait for a court approved warrant to enter the home. Under Senate Bill 1, which passed by a 74-24 vote, the husband could shoot and kill the officer for entering his home and get away with it. And there are many other situations where police may deem it necessary to enter a home, such as the situation in which the Indiana Court ruled.

I know you may find this hard to understand, but personally I'm no longer wanting to accept things for the lowest common denominator. In the bold above it's clearly the douche hitting the woman.

I need to work right now, but maybe I'll get back to this later and debate a little more. From my perspective, I'm just annoyed that citizens are expected to abide by how ever many laws there are out there to keep us in line. However, when it comes to the government involvement in our lives we are losing control over that.

I do fully see your point of view and a few years ago I would've supported it 100%.

There is that comment about the wild west. Not that I think that is the answer either, but there was a time when we knew and had some level of trust in the people hired.

Don't get me started on harsher punishments for those who break the law either. May not be such a bad job if you did not have to keep arresting the same douches over and over again.

[Broncojohnny]

Looks fine to me. Agents of the government should be encouraged to have their shit together before kicking in doors and shooting people in a free country.

[kingjason]

I know you may find this hard to understand, but personally I'm no longer wanting to accept things for the lowest common denominator. In the bold above it's clearly the douche hitting the woman.

I need to work right now, but maybe I'll get back to this later and debate a little more. From my perspective, I'm just annoyed that citizens are expected to abide by how ever many laws there are out there to keep us in line. However, when it comes to the government involvement in our lives we are losing control over that.

I do fully see your point of view and a few years ago I would've supported it 100%.

There is that comment about the wild west. Not that I think that is the answer either, but there was a time when we knew and had some level of trust in the people hired.

Don't get me started on harsher punishments for those who break the law either. May not be such a bad job if you did not have to keep arresting the same douches over and over again.

I can assure you there will not be a whole lot of debate. I will probably agree with a lot of stuff that you guys are saying but then I am sure some stuff I have a different perspective on. You are 100 percent right as far as harsher punishments and these guys getting out of jail every month to commit more crimes. I am not the all in, need the government to assist me in my life choices type of guy. Most cops work hard, pay to many taxes, and see the leaches that are living on our tax dollars way more then we would like to admit. We are part of the wheel but only in the smallest part. I am not a fan of big government or over stepping boundries in the interest of the greater good.

[Tannerm]

Jesus... So this will give the average gun totin doomsdayer a reason to shoot the cops? REAL SMART!!! YAY!!! ...
So, average joe can open fire on cops for what he thinks is a bad warrant, wrong house? How is he gunna know whats correct? THis is bad joojoo right here... One thing people on this board dont understand or fail to open their dense brains to is that the wrong house or bad warrant situations are very rare. Thank the media for the buzz it gets. I do quite a few no-knocks and its already hair raising without this silly bill. Think this through guys, I know most of you on here think that ALL cops are badge heavy warmongers who are out to get ya, but in all honesty; we are just average guys who have ALOT of liablity on our shoulders. Remember, out of 800,000 cops all it takes is 1 bad cop on the news to make everyone's minds up. Think of what those other 799,999 cops are doing to keep your family and community safe.
Jason, I think you and I might be looking for jobs as firemen when this comes to TX. Lol which is good cause I need to catch up on my xbox time!

[Broncojohnny]

Jesus... So this will give the average gun totin doomsdayer a reason to shoot the cops? REAL SMART!!! YAY!!! ...
So, average joe can open fire on cops for what he thinks is a bad warrant, wrong house? How is he gunna know whats correct? THis is bad joojoo right here... One thing people on this board dont understand or fail to open their dense brains to is that the wrong house or bad warrant situations are very rare. Thank the media for the buzz it gets. I do quite a few no-knocks and its already hair raising without this silly bill. Think this through guys, I know most of you on here think that ALL cops are badge heavy warmongers who are out to get ya, but in all honesty; we are just average guys who have ALOT of liablity on our shoulders. Remember, out of 800,000 cops all it takes is 1 bad cop on the news to make everyone's minds up. Think of what those other 799,999 cops are doing to keep your family and community safe.
Jason, I think you and I might be looking for jobs as firemen when this comes to TX. Lol which is good cause I need to catch up on my xbox time!

The way I read it is that if someone shoots at the police and the police have cause to be on their property then they'll get prosecuted. If the police don't have the right to be there then they won't be charged.

I don't really see the problem as long as the police are in the right? I don't understand why the police seem to think that a mistake on their part somehow trumps the rights of someone else who is only acting in self defense? It isn't like people sit around hoping to get a chance to fire their gun at ten armed people coming through their front door.

The police love to talk about someone acting "in good faith" when it is an officer who did something that is technically wrong. But people defending themselves can't do the same. It is a double standard that needs to go away.

[stevo]

The way I read it is that if someone shoots at the police and the police have cause to be on their property then they'll get prosecuted. If the police don't have the right to be there then they won't be charged.

This is the law, basic and very simple. Currently, if you fire upon an officer on your property for ANY reason, you will get charged with attempted murder, assault on an officer, yada yada, but with this law, you will not be charged if you had a justifiable reason to fire upon them.

It is basically a Castle Doctrine in defense of substandard law enforcement.

Stevo

[mikec]

The way I read it is that if someone shoots at the police and the police have cause to be on their property then they'll get prosecuted. If the police don't have the right to be there then they won't be charged.

I don't really see the problem as long as the police are in the right? I don't understand why the police seem to think that a mistake on their part somehow trumps the rights of someone else who is only acting in self defense? It isn't like people sit around hoping to get a chance to fire their gun at ten armed people coming through their front door.

The police love to talk about someone acting "in good faith" when it is an officer who did something that is technically wrong. But people defending themselves can't do the same. It is a double standard that needs to go away.

This is the law, basic and very simple. Currently, if you fire upon an officer on your property for ANY reason, you will get charged with attempted murder, assault on an officer, yada yada, but with this law, you will not be charged if you had a justifiable reason to fire upon them.

It is basically a Castle Doctrine in defense of substandard law enforcement.

Stevo

Aaannd this thread is done...

[Forever_frost]

If you know that if you kick in the wrong door you stand the chance of getting shot, you'll double check that address is right. I'm all for protecting private property. You can come up with what if's all day long but at the end of the day, if law enforcement is kicking in my door because they thought i was the house next door and they shoot my animals and I return fire, I am going to the big house. Doesn't matter they were wrong, my property is still damaged and the city blows me off. If there is the ability to defend yourself against an invasive enforcement arm, then that arm will make sure they are in the right.

Currently, bad guys will shoot cops no matter what. This protects law abiding citizens. Don't want to get shot? Don't take a chainsaw to the wrong door, don't do a no knock warrant where you bust through the door when you are a couple houses off and you won't get shot. If a cop shoots my animals, sucks to be me. If I shoot a K9, then I go down for murdering a cop. It's time for some equality

[mikec]

At the end of the day, there will be absolutely no more cops shot than there are now as a result of this law. It is not going to alter the number of people that sit around with their gun close by, that sleep with their gun, etc.

It changes not a damned thing other than innocent people getting stuck in their ass when the system goes awry.

[Forever_frost]

Jesus... So this will give the average gun totin doomsdayer a reason to shoot the cops? REAL SMART!!! YAY!!! ...
So, average joe can open fire on cops for what he thinks is a bad warrant, wrong house? How is he gunna know whats correct? THis is bad joojoo right here... One thing people on this board dont understand or fail to open their dense brains to is that the wrong house or bad warrant situations are very rare. Thank the media for the buzz it gets. I do quite a few no-knocks and its already hair raising without this silly bill. Think this through guys, I know most of you on here think that ALL cops are badge heavy warmongers who are out to get ya, but in all honesty; we are just average guys who have ALOT of liablity on our shoulders. Remember, out of 800,000 cops all it takes is 1 bad cop on the news to make everyone's minds up. Think of what those other 799,999 cops are doing to keep your family and community safe.
Jason, I think you and I might be looking for jobs as firemen when this comes to TX. Lol which is good cause I need to catch up on my xbox time!

You also have the unique ability to, by your word alone, destroy someone's lives, their family and take someone's freedom.

[racrguy]

I don't advocate shooting cops if they're doing their job correctly. However, if they're at the wrong pad and get shot (at), fuck 'em. If they can't read, they don't need to be cops anyway.

[svauto-erotic855]

The hypothetical set of circumstances mentioned in the article concerning officers entering a home to stop a woman form being murdered by her husband is just inflammatory rhetoric to put the law in a bad light.

This law was passed in response to a group of officers who were working hand in hand with a local gang to do home invasion robberies. Just imagine your home being invaded by a gang of armed criminals and their leader and first one through the door is a real police officer in uniform. Two of the officers involved are dead and one is in prison. The group is suspected in several homicides and 40 + robberies.