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  • #16
    Originally posted by GTBrian23 View Post
    Wow, so now they have shut down all showers, bathrooms and laundry facilities until further notcie. This place is such a shit hole, now a little more literally haha

    Quran Burning at U.S. Base Sparks Afghan Protests

    By ALEEM AGHA and NICK SCHIFRIN |

    Troops on the U.S.' largest base in Afghanistan have inadvertently burned Qurans and other religious materials, triggering angry protests and fears of even larger demonstrations as news of the burning spreads.

    The books were mistakenly thrown out with the trash at Bagram Air Field north of Kabul and were on a burn pile Monday night before Afghan laborers intervened around 11:00 p.m., according to NATO and Afghan officials.

    The workers doused the flames with their jackets and mineral water before marching out of Bagram in a fury, carrying with them the charred remains, according to Sabir Safar, secretary of the provincial council of Parwan, the province where Bagram is located.

    By the morning, hundreds of demonstrators gathered outside of Bagram and on the outskirts of Kabul. Some shot into the air, some threw rocks at the Bagram gate, and others yelled, "Die, die foreigners." Many of them were the same people who work with foreign troops inside the base. At one point, apparently worried that the base would be stormed, guards at the base fired rubber bullets into the crowd, according to the military.

    "They should leave Afghanistan rather than disrespecting our religion, our faith," Mohammad Hakim told the Associated Press outside of Bagram. "They have to leave and if next time they disrespect our religion, we will defend our holy Quran, religion and faith until the last drop of blood has left in our body."

    There is perhaps no action that enrages Afghans more than foreigners' mistreating the Quran. It taps into widespread doubt of whether Americans respect Islam as well as deep frustration that, more than 10 years after the Taliban were overthrown, violence remains widespread. Qurans are supposed to be buried or released into a flowing river if they need to be disposed.

    NATO officials scrambled furiously to contain the fallout, tweeting and emailing reporters not long after the first protests began. Gen. John Allen, the commander of all foreign forces in Afghanistan, released a statement, then a video statement, then gave an interview to NATO television. In his and in all NATO officials' communication today, each emphasized that the burning was unintentional.

    "Those materials were inadvertently given to troops for disposition and that disposition was to burn the materials. It was not a decision that was made because they were religious materials," Allen told NATO TV. "It was not a decision that was made with respect to the faith of Islam. It was a mistake, it was an error. The moment we found out about it we immediately stopped and we intervened."

    Allen launched an investigation and promised to take steps that the same incident would not be repeated.

    "This is not who we are. These are very, very isolated incidents," Allen said. "We've been dying alongside the Afghans for a long time because we believe in them, we believe in their country, we want to have every opportunity to give them a bright future."

    In the morning, U.S. officials on Bagram escorted local Afghan elders to the site of the burning. Ahmad Zaki Zahed, the chief of the provincial council, said 60 to 70 books had been recovered from the fire, including Qurans that were once used by detainees at the base.

    "Some were all burned. Some were half-burned," Zahed told the Associated Press.

    The protesters' fury was immediate, but Afghan officials eventually calmed them down by the afternoon. They demanded to see President Hamid Karzai and threatened to resume demonstrations.

    Previous reports of Quran burning have led to deadly protests in Afghanistan. In April, 2011, after a fringe protester burned a Quran, a mob in a usually peaceful northern city stormed the United Nations compound and killed at least seven foreigners. In May, 2005, Afghan police killed at least four demonstrators angry over a report that an American interrogator in Guantanamo Bay prison flushed a Quran down a toilet.

    While today's reaction was quick and furious, the protests might have been larger if it wasn't snowing and if it had happened at a different time. Many Afghans did not know about the burning because it occurred late last night and news is generally consumed during television newscasts in the evenings, at home. Many Afghans and Westerners fear that protests could get larger Wednesday and the rest of the week.

    "Past demonstrations in Afghanistan have escalated into violent attacks on Western targets of opportunity," the U.S. embassy said in statement known as a Warden Message, sent to Americans living in Afghanistan. "U.S. citizens in Afghanistan should remain vigilant and avoid areas where Westerners congregate. Avoid large public gatherings or demonstrations. Do not discuss travel plans or other personal matters with strangers, or in public."

    Far to the south, in an area where a surge of U.S. troops has removed many Taliban safehavens, insurgents reminded the local population that they still held considerable sway.

    In the Washer district of Helmand, insurgents beheaded four people they accused of spying for the U.S., according to the Helmand governor's spokesman. The Taliban denied any involvement in the executions, claiming they were carried out by Western intelligence officials to bring the Taliban a bad name.

    This same thing happened last year. My employees working the burn field called me to report a box of qurans were found by the Afghan workers and they caught them before sending them to the fires.

    I went out to investigate. Turns out the boxes were not marked on the outside. Just plain cardboard boxes taped shut. The Afghans opened the boxes to inspect before burning and that is when they discovered them to be Qurans. They agreed no malice intent but the local elders raised a fit when word leaked out off the base. They staged a little work stoppage for a couple days. The Army sent some HUMINT/PRT teams to talk to the elders and were able to make things better.

    We tracked the boxes back to their origin and found out a unit was ripping out. The boxes had been in the corner of their office since before they arrived a year earlier. Nobody bothered to open them before tossing. Simple mistake, happens all the time out there. Hence the reason the trash is sorted BEFORE being burned.
    Fuck you. We're going to Costco.

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    • #17
      In other words, a huge stack of 100's was handed to the elders.
      I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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      • #18
        fuck the elders, throw them in the fire.
        "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
        "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
          Yet it is the holy book of hundreds of millions and the military should treat the burning of the Bible the same as they do the Koran instead of taking cases of Bibles, dousing it with diesel and lighting it
          We've already been over this.
          Originally posted by 5.0_CJ View Post
          fuck the elders, throw them in the fire.
          /agree.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by racrguy View Post
            We've already been over this.


            /agree.
            Yes but what we haven't been over is this: If you're going to be okay with burning the Bible, then you had better damn well be okay with burning the Koran. One holy book should be as protected as teh other.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
              Yes but what we haven't been over is this: If you're going to be okay with burning the Bible, then you had better damn well be okay with burning the Koran. One holy book should be as protected as teh other.
              I've got absolutely no problem with burning either. If I had enough gumption to do it I'd interlace the pages of the bible and koran ala Mythbusters phone book trick and light 'em up. Then I'd sit back, make s'more's and sing kumbaya.

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              • #22
                Take famethrowers to the entire damn country. Anything or anyone that survives can claim to have been miracles by their faith. This plan could be carried out quickly, effectively and cheaply. We could be out of there in a month tops.

                Or we can just continue being pussies like our dear leader.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by AnthonyS View Post
                  Take famethrowers to the entire damn country. Anything or anyone that survives can claim to have been miracles by their faith. This plan could be carried out quickly, effectively and cheaply. We could be out of there in a month tops.

                  Or we can just continue being pussies like our dear leader.
                  If you think this course of action started with Obama you're fucked in the head.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by AnthonyS View Post
                    Take famethrowers to the entire damn country. Anything or anyone that survives can claim to have been miracles by their faith. This plan could be carried out quickly, effectively and cheaply. We could be out of there in a month tops.

                    Or we can just continue being pussies like our dear leader.
                    That would be too easy. Building weapons systems, armored vehicles, fuel contracts, and sending our men/women into harms way to protect goat farmers, train foreign soldiers, and nation build is a long term productive plan...

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by jw33 View Post
                      x3 We've done all we can and it will never be westernized. That place isn't worth another drop of piss at this point. WTF is even the mission anymore?
                      Originally posted by GhostTX View Post
                      What's sad is they're sitting on a wealth of natural resources (minerals, earth metals, etc) to better themselves, but totally lack the will or drive to do anything about it.
                      here's what they're sitting on, according to wikipedia...

                      Michael O'Hanlon of the Brookings Institution explains that if Afghanistan generates about $10 bn per year from its mineral deposits, its gross national product would double and provide long-term funding for Afghan security forces and other critical needs.[212] The United States Geological Survey (USGS) estimated in 2006 that northern Afghanistan has an average 1.6 billion (bn) barrels (bbl) of crude oil, 15.7 trillion cubic feet (440 bn m3) of natural gas, and 562 million bbl of natural gas liquids.[213] In December 2011, Afghanistan signed an oil exploration contract with China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) for the development of three oil fields along the Amu Darya river in the north.[214]

                      Other reports show that the country has huge amounts of lithium, copper, gold, coal, iron ore and other minerals.[50][51][215] The Khanashin carbonatite in Helmand Province contains 1,000,000 metric tons (1,100,000 short tons) of rare earth elements.[216] In 2007, a 30-year lease was granted for the Aynak copper mine to the China Metallurgical Group for $3 billion,[217] making it the biggest foreign investment and private business venture in Afghanistan's history.[218] Government officials estimate that the country's untapped mineral deposits are worth between $900 bn and $3 trillion.[53][52][54] One official asserted that "this will become the backbone of the Afghan economy" and a Pentagon memo stated that Afghanistan could become the "Saudi Arabia of lithium".[53][219][220][221]

                      and there's also something about Afghanistan being the leading producer of opium, but I'm not quite sure of the accuracy of that fact....but it could still be a factor.
                      "We, the people, are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts - not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the constitution." Abraham Lincoln

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                      • #26
                        The Christian world is so afraid of Muslims. Muslims will not hesitate to kill for their beliefs, and Christians would give in and do nothing for their belief. We are so weak!

                        What we should have done when they decided to protest is we make a nice youtube video showing us Americans wiping our asses after a nice juicy sh-it with the pages from the Koran. Who gives a fuc about those Muslim shi-its.
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                        • #27
                          All I see in this story is perfect justification for restarting our bio weapons program and directions for where to test our new stuff. Fuck Islam.
                          Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by stang View Post
                            The Christian world is so afraid of Muslims. Muslims will not hesitate to kill for their beliefs, and Christians would give in and do nothing for their belief. We are so weak!

                            What we should have done when they decided to protest is we make a nice youtube video showing us Americans wiping our asses after a nice juicy sh-it with the pages from the Koran. Who gives a fuc about those Muslim shi-its.
                            Speak for yourself.
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                            • #29
                              Burning Qurans is really advancing the mission over there. If you do shit that's blatantly dumb then your ass is going to get burned, even if it is a gross overreaction. It didn't serve a purpose other than to incense a populous of people that already don't like you, and all it does is proliferate a vicious circle that makes the situation worse.

                              Justifying it with tears about ragheads burning bibles is beyond childish. Ya'll are always going on and on about our military forces being a cut above the rest; if you want that moniker to stick in the minds of anyone that isn't you, then servicemen should probably act like it. Shit like this makes them look dumb, ignorant, and juvenile; even if it's a minority, it's an extremely visible minority and the people who can see that for themselves aren't the people shooting at them.

                              TLDR: is this a largely insignificant event that's been blown up by the media? Sure. But that doesn't make it right and it only sets our mission over there further back.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Slowhand View Post
                                Burning Qurans is really advancing the mission over there. If you do shit that's blatantly dumb then your ass is going to get burned, even if it is a gross overreaction. It didn't serve a purpose other than to incense a populous of people that already don't like you, and all it does is proliferate a vicious circle that makes the situation worse.

                                Justifying it with tears about ragheads burning bibles is beyond childish. Ya'll are always going on and on about our military forces being a cut above the rest; if you want that moniker to stick in the minds of anyone that isn't you, then servicemen should probably act like it. Shit like this makes them look dumb, ignorant, and juvenile; even if it's a minority, it's an extremely visible minority and the people who can see that for themselves aren't the people shooting at them.

                                TLDR: is this a largely insignificant event that's been blown up by the media? Sure. But that doesn't make it right and it only sets our mission over there further back.
                                I think you just blew some peoples minds.

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