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    About time they expect people to be able to communicate effectivly:

    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/08...gh/?hpt=hp_bn1

    Some of the comments after the story really make me want to slap someone...


    STORY:

    A woman trying to run for the San Luis, Arizona, City Council will not appear on the ballot after the Arizona Supreme Court upheld a ruling that her English was not good enough.

    Alejandrina Cabrera has been locked in a political battle regarding her proficiency in the English language. But her story is more than a local election dispute, with possibly widespread implications in a country that prides itself as a melting pot.

    In the border town of San Luis, 87% of residents speak a language other than English in their homes, and 98.7% are of Hispanic origin, according to 2010 U.S. census data. Most of the people there, by all accounts, speak both English and Spanish.

    “I think my English is good enough to hold public office in San Luis, Arizona,” Cabrera told CNN en Español in an interview conducted in Spanish.

    “I am not going to help (at the White House). I will be helping here.”

    Last month, Yuma County Superior Court Judge John Nelson ruled the woman's name should be taken off the ballot after testimony from linguistics experts and Cabrera. A U.S. citizen born in Yuma, Arizona, Cabrera moved to Mexico and then returned to Yuma for the last three years of school, graduating from Kofa High School.

    Cabrera was able to tell her attorney her name and where she was born but struggled with what school she had graduated from, according to the Yuma Sun. After being asked the question three times, without being able to answer in English, the judge allowed Cabrera to leave the witness stand and issued his ruling, the paper reported. In his ruling, Nelson said he wanted to be clear he wasn't saying that Cabrera had an "intelligence" issue but felt she should be removed from the ballot because of her lack of proficiency in English.

    Cabrera appealed the ruling to the Arizona Supreme Court, which upheld the lower court Tuesday. CNN has not been able to reach Cabrera, her attorneys and city officials for responses to the ruling.

    “It is ordered that the trial court's judgment and orders filed January 27, 2012 are affirmed,” Supreme Court Chief Justice Rebecca White Berch said. “The City Clerk shall not include appellant's name on the March 13, 2012, City Council election ballot. A written decision of this court shall follow in due course.”

    At present it's unclear what factored into the justices' decision, but Cabrera's story has caught the attention of people nationwide and sparked a debate about who is best able to represent the people of a certain community.

    “When he took my right to be on the ballot, he took away the right of the people who want to vote for me,” Cabrera said after the judge's initial ruling.

    As Cabrera's story attracted attention, much of the debate centered on two issues. First, some of CNN's readers said candidates for public office should be able to speak English well. But others argued that the people of San Luis could decide if Cabrera was qualified and choose whether or not to vote for her.

    The dispute began when Juan Carlos Escamilla, the mayor of San Luis, said he was concerned that Cabrera might not have the proper grasp of the language for the job. Escamilla filed a lawsuit in December asking a court to determine whether Cabrera's skills qualified her under state law to run for the council seat.

    Cabrera admits she isn't the most fluent in English.

    Instead of the confident, strong way she speaks in Spanish, Cabrera talks a bit more slowly, and perhaps with less conviction, when she switches to English. She says she can communicate at the level she needs to in English, given where she lives. She grades her English proficiency as a 5 on a scale from 1 to 10.

    “I am a very honest so I can tell you I’m not fluid in English, but I do understand it. I can read a letter. I can read a book,” Cabrera said. “Right now I have a private tutor helping me improve my English.”

    In 2006, Arizona passed a law that made English the official language of the state. Nearly a century before, in 1910, Congress passed the Enabling Act, which allowed Arizona to become a state with certain requirements. Among them was one that addressed the English language.

    "The ability to read, write, speak, and understand the English language sufficiently well to conduct the duties of the office without aid of an interpreter shall be a necessary qualification for all state officers and members of the state legislature," a section of the act reads.

    But Cabrera's attorneys argued in court that her disqualification was unfair and may be unconstitutional, saying there is no standard for a specific level of proficiency for a City Council candidate.

    “Unbelievable,” John Minore, one of Cabrera's attorneys told the Yuma Sun after the high court ruling. “This is a fine example of judicial activism. Arizona now has a English standard to be on a ballot but doesn't tell you what that standard is. It's amazing that people in government who are in power can spend taxpayer money to keep people off the ballot. This is Hispanics keeping Hispanics off the ballot, compliments of the San Luis City Council.”

    The court battle is part of a growing discussion about English in a country where people come from a variety of backgrounds. During a recent presidential debate, GOP candidates said that English should be the official U.S. language and should be the only one taught in school.

    Bob Vandevoort of the advocacy group ProEnglish said that the country would be more cohesive if English were made the standard language in government.

    "We are concerned as far as government goes; we don't want to see us become a multilanguage nation. We want to see a nation that has one language as far as government is concerned," he said, adding that what people speak at home is a different issue.

    Arturo Vargas, executive director of the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, said there should be more opportunities to ensure everyone has the resources to learn English. He said there are long lines to get into classes in several cities, with so many people trying to learn English.

    But Vargas argues a candidate doesn't necessarily need to have full English proficiency to run for office.

    "I think it should be up to the voters to decide what kind of representative they want," he said. "I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to not be able, to not allow someone to present themselves to the voters as a candidate because of their language abilities."

    It's unclear what Cabrera's next move may be, but there may still be one way for her to run for the San Luis City Council: as a write-in candidate.

    Nevertheless, Cabrera's battle will surely advance the debate about language in America and politics.

    Let us know what you think about the issue in the comments below. Do you think the right decision was made?


    David Floridensis

    Did it occur to you that many people in the border region speak Spanish natively and probably have a longer family history of being in that part of the US than you might? Did it further occur to you that you do not speak the native language of any part of North America, but rather a language that was imported into North America ca. 1607 by land-thieves? Did it further occur to you that perhaps vulgarity in the public forum is considered at least as undesirable? How would you like it if someone were to demand of you that you speak Dine or Inde or Lakhota or Tsalagi (to you, Navaho, Apache, Sioux, or Cherokee) or get the (expletive deleted) out? And there are several posters who by their own logic should be disqualified from running for office because their English is atrocious.
    Originally posted by Sean88gt
    You can take white off the list. White on anything is the best, including vehicles, women, and the Presidency.
    Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
    You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

  • #2
    I like how "the voters should decide" when it makes the case for this woman. Didn't the voters already decide that everyone in government in that state should speak english?

    As for David Floridensis, someone should send him a telegraph and let him know that the indians lost.
    Originally posted by racrguy
    What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
    Originally posted by racrguy
    Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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    • #3
      I find it so frustrating when people act like they have a good argument when their argument is based off of old shit. In this case 3-400 year old shit
      Originally posted by Sean88gt
      You can take white off the list. White on anything is the best, including vehicles, women, and the Presidency.
      Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
      You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

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      • #4
        for fucks sake, if you can't speak fucking english clearly and fluidly you don't need to be in any US political office. If you want to speak spanish run for some sort of mexican deal. This is america fuckers...

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        • #5
          I say GTFO of the country if you can't speak fluent english.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by StanleyJustinTaliwhacker95 View Post
            I say GTFO of the country if you can't speak fluent english.
            Well I guess (playing devil’s advocate) if the city in which you reside has a Hispanic population of 98.7% then you might tend to forget where you are...thankfully this judge reminded them as well as the Hispanic city council member who raised the question in the first place.
            Originally posted by Sean88gt
            You can take white off the list. White on anything is the best, including vehicles, women, and the Presidency.
            Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
            You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gtracer View Post
              Well I guess (playing devil’s advocate) if the city in which you reside has a Hispanic population of 98.7% then you might tend to forget where you are...thankfully this judge reminded them as well as the Hispanic city council member who raised the question in the first place.
              Which is exactly the shit you run into when you don't have an official language....

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              • #8
                Originally posted by StanleyJustinTaliwhacker95 View Post
                I say GTFO of the country if you can't speak fluent english.
                You would deport 75% of Alabama, Louisiana, Kentucky and Tennessee as well as large pockets in the Appalachians.
                But at least they're TRYing to speak English.

                I agree....this is NOT Mexico, speak English.

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                • #9
                  I am almost more appaled that in the news story , they admit that the city she lives in not only conducts most daily business in spanish but most of the street signs are also in spanish .

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jryotas View Post
                    I am almost more appaled that in the news story , they admit that the city she lives in not only conducts most daily business in spanish but most of the street signs are also in spanish .
                    im more APPALLED that you have to nerve to start posting anything other than tits belonging to your wife or g/f

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                    • #11
                      press 2 for english

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by scootro View Post
                        press 2 for english
                        No habla Espanol? Uno momento por favor....
                        Originally posted by Sean88gt
                        You can take white off the list. White on anything is the best, including vehicles, women, and the Presidency.
                        Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
                        You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

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