Defendant Ordered to Decrypt Laptop May Have Forgotten Password

[mikec]

Unless you lose your house because part of the mortgage scheme involves taking your payments but not applying them to your account and your house is foreclosed.

Then I'd bet you'd be all like "oh, help me justice system....."

Meanwhile, back on the planet Earth, we have a judge ordering someone to go against their fifth amendment rights...

[ceyko]

Someone can clarify, but is this any different than when you have to allow your place to be searched due to warrants?

[Shorty]

[Denny]

Meanwhile, back on the planet Earth, we have a judge ordering someone to go against their fifth amendment rights...

Eh... If she's al;ready charged for a crime, that's one thing. Now if it was because there was another reason to open it and by opening it, she revealed evidence of fraud, then I can see that point.

A man charged with murder cannot plead the 5th for asking him questions related for the crime he was charged for.

[03trubluGT]

Meanwhile, back on the planet Earth, we have a judge ordering someone to go against their fifth amendment rights...

If there is a search warrant, then there is no choice.

[roliath]

what is "tc"?

truecrypt

bitlocker, sel, tc, symantec pgp protection, all my mobile devices are encrypted some way or another. my dell's won't even boot without a password, and than for my encrypted volumes to mount it requires another password. than you got your user account password as well. 10 failed attempts wipes the drive. Its probably not the best method to go about doing this, but it works for me.

[03trubluGT]

Just give it to the FBI/NSA computer forensics lab.

They can mirror it and then dissect it.

[ceyko]

truecrypt

bitlocker, sel, tc, symantec pgp protection, all my mobile devices are encrypted some way or another. my dell's won't even boot without a password, and than for my encrypted volumes to mount it requires another password. than you got your user account password as well. 10 failed attempts wipes the drive. Its probably not the best method to go about doing this, but it works for me.

I see no problems with this at all with some safeguards in place. I only do that encryption on devices that I have a good backup solution in place on. It's one more level of failure/problems that could result in major data loss. However, depending on data housed - it's that important.

[Snatch Napkin]

If there is a search warrant, then there is no choice.

Just out of curiosity, if hearsay from a citizen (co-defendant) is the basis of the warrant, is the warrant even valid?
I've always heard hearsay is not admissible in a court of law. lol... Is that just hearsay?

[roliath]

I see no problems with this at all with some safeguards in place. I only do that encryption on devices that I have a good backup solution in place on. It's one more level of failure/problems that could result in major data loss. However, depending on data housed - it's that important.

I don't keep anything on those laptops, if I lose them i want to easily walk away from them.

[Denny]

Just out of curiosity, if hearsay from a citizen (co-defendant) is the basis of the warrant, is the warrant even valid?
I've always heard hearsay is not admissible in a court of law. lol... Is that just hearsay?

If a magistrate signs it, then yes.

[Snatch Napkin]

If a magistrate signs it, then yes.

Hmmm, seems like a large chance for false accusations and guilty verdicts for innocent people.

Hypothetical scenario coming up.

Let's say this co-defendant had knowledge of this chick having a laptop in her possession that was encrypted, but didn't know the password. Maybe the co-defendant was the one doing shady mortgage deals and used an encryption to get to the "real stuff" on this chick's laptop.

It would be a rather smooth move on the co-defendant's part to claim it to be the chick's laptop, knowing that she isn't privy to the password.

We'll see how it all turns out after the techy nerds get a hold of it.

[roliath]

Hmmm, seems like a large chance for false accusations and guilty verdicts for innocent people.

Hypothetical scenario coming up.

Let's say this co-defendant had knowledge of this chick having a laptop in her possession that was encrypted, but didn't know the password. Maybe the co-defendant was the one doing shady mortgage deals and used an encryption to get to the "real stuff" on this chick's laptop.

It would be a rather smooth move on the co-defendant's part to claim it to be the chick's laptop, knowing that she isn't privy to the password.

We'll see how it all turns out after the techy nerds get a hold of it.

amazon cloud super computers are fairly cheap to rent in the grand scheme of things

and i'm sure the nsa isn't gonna bother with this bullshit case

[BajaBob]

Encryption is a standard feature in Windows 7, you have to enable it, and it's called BitLocker. It runs at the kernel level, and is seamlessly integrated -meaning that it will out perform any third party software available. I use it on my entire backup drive as well as my stripped array I store all my code on. Upon drive inspection (pulling the drive and viewing it from another computer) the drive will mount but reads nothing but garbage.

There are various routines to utilize the software as well, passwords, usb keys, certificates, etc... Very cool system, and best of all you can't even tell its running, it just turns your file names green.

BitLocker Drive Encryption is a full disk encryption feature included with the Ultimate and Enterprise editions of Microsoft's Windows Vista and Windows 7 desktop operating systems, as well as the Windows Server 2008 and Windows Server 2008 R2 server platforms. It is designed to protect data by providing encryption for entire volumes. By default it uses the AES encryption algorithm in CBC mode with a 128 bit key, combined with the Elephant diffuser for additional disk encryption specific security not provided by AES.[1][2]

Also worth noting,

According to Microsoft sources,[15][16] BitLocker does not contain an intentionally built-in backdoor; there is no way for law enforcement to have a guaranteed passage to the data on the user's drives that is provided by Microsoft. The lack of any backdoor has been a concern to the UK Home Office,[17] which tried entering into talks with Microsoft to get one introduced, though Microsoft developer Niels Ferguson and other Microsoft spokesmen state that they have not granted the wish to have one added.[18][19] Although the AES encryption algorithm used in BitLocker is in the public domain, its actual implementation in BitLocker, as well as other components of the software, are closed source...

[CJ]

Encryption is a standard feature in Windows 7, you have to enable it, and it's called BitLocker. It runs at the kernel level, and is seamlessly integrated -meaning that it will out perform any third party software available. I use it on my entire backup drive as well as my stripped array I store all my code on. Upon drive inspection (pulling the drive and viewing it from another computer) the drive will mount but reads nothing but garbage.

There are various routines to utilize the software as well, passwords, usb keys, certificates, etc... Very cool system, and best of all you can't even tell its running, it just turns your file names green.



Also worth noting,

I also use bitlocker for my gay porn.