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    A Colorado woman ordered to decrypt her laptop so prosecutors may use the files against her in a criminal case might have forgotten the password, the defendant’s attorney said Monday.

    The authorities seized the Toshiba laptop from defendant Ramona Fricosu in 2010 with a court warrant while investigating alleged mortgage fraud. Ruling that the woman’s Fifth Amendment rights against compelled self-incrimination would not be breached, U.S. District Judge Robert Blackburn ordered the woman in January to decrypt the laptop.

    “It’s very possible to forget passwords,” the woman’s attorney, Philip Dubois, said in a telephone interview. “It’s not clear to me she was the one who set up the encryption on this drive. I don’t know if she will be able to decrypt it.”

    The decryption case is a complicated one, even if solely analyzed on the underlying Fifth Amendment issue. Such decryption orders are rare, and they have never squarely been addressed by the Supreme Court.

    One case involved a child pornography prosecution that ended with a Vermont federal judge ordering the defendant to decrypt the hard drive of his laptop.

    While that case never reached the Supreme Court, it differed from the Fricosu matter because U.S. border agents already knew there was child porn on the computer because they saw it while the computer was running during a 2006 routine stop along the Canadian border. The authorities’ belief that Fricosu’s hard drive might contain evidence against her was the result of a recorded jailhouse conversation between her and a co-defendant.

    And now the case is even more complicated and raises the question of what might happen if the woman does not comply with the judge’s order.

    If she does not decrypt the drive by month’s end, as ordered, she could be held in contempt and jailed until she complies. If the case gets to that point, Judge Blackburn would have to make a judgement call and determine whether the woman had forgotten the code or was refusing to comply.

    “The government will probably say you need to put her in jail until she breaks down and does what she is ordered to do,” Dubois said. “That will create a question of fact for the judge to resolve. If she’s unable to decrypt the disc, the court cannot hold her in contempt.”

    Prosecutor Patricia Davies said in a telephone interview that the defendant has not said in any court document that she might have forgotten the password.

    “She has not taken that position in court,” Davis said. “When she does, we’ll figure it out.”

    Davies had urged Judge Blackburn to order Fricosu to decrypt the hard drive, writing “that encrypting all inculpatory digital evidence will serve to defeat the efforts of law enforcement officers to obtain such evidence through judicially authorized search warrants, and thus make their prosecution impossible.”

    The judge refused Friday to suspend his order to allow time for an appeal to the Denver-based 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

    Dubois, Fricosu’s attorney, said Monday he would petition the appeals court anyway in hopes that it agrees with his position that Judge Blackburn’s order breaches Fricosu’s Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination.
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  • #2
    I hope she says she forgot it. Let them prove she didn't
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    • #3
      Very interesting,
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      • #4
        'I don't recall'

        Works every time.
        Men have become the tools of their tools.
        -Henry David Thoreau

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        • #5
          must be some badass software to encrypt the hard drive

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          • #6
            I forgot my damn username on my #! VM at work today, damn thing rebooted on me and I couldn't remember my username.

            I wouldn't tell that judge shit except that I forgot.

            TC also has a feature that if you use one password it boots you into one OS, and another password boots you into the "real" shit.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by roliath View Post
              I forgot my damn username on my #! VM at work today, damn thing rebooted on me and I couldn't remember my username.

              I wouldn't tell that judge shit except that I forgot.

              TC also has a feature that if you use one password it boots you into one OS, and another password boots you into the "real" shit.
              what is "tc"?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by roliath View Post
                  TC also has a feature that if you use one password it boots you into one OS, and another password boots you into the "real" shit.
                  That's kickass, and fuck the justice system. "I forgot" works for me.


                  And encrypting the hard drive is kickass. Kind of jealous I don't have to do that...
                  www.allforoneroofing.com

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                  • #10
                    Isn't asking her to de-encrypt the laptop going against her 5th amendment rights?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Treasure Chest View Post
                      Isn't asking her to de-encrypt the laptop going against her 5th amendment rights?
                      If it's not, it should be. It seems a strange precedent has been set.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ThreeFingerPete View Post
                        If it's not, it should be. It seems a strange precedent has been set.
                        From the article, it seems like they're going completely on hearsay, which should not be admissible.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BERNIE MOSFET View Post
                          'I don't recall'

                          Works every time.
                          ask Ollie North
                          http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/...iversal-truth/

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by scootro View Post
                            must be some badass software to encrypt the hard drive
                            My wife worked for MetLife for a short time. Part of their policy is to encrypt the hard drive so that if the laptop is lost/stolen customer's personal information is not compromised.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mikec View Post
                              That's kickass, and fuck the justice system. "I forgot" works for me.


                              And encrypting the hard drive is kickass. Kind of jealous I don't have to do that...

                              Unless you lose your house becaues part of the mortgage scheme involves taking your payments but not applying them to your account and your house is foreclosed.

                              Then I'd bet you'd be all like "oh, help me justice system....."

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