Real GDP for '11? 1.7%!

[Forever_frost]

Isn't this the government ya'll folk want?

We get big military, and big business! Yippee! And your asses get to pay for both! LOL

Military is a constitutional obligation. Welfare isn't

[matts5.0]

Military is a constitutional obligation.

policing the world isnt.

[stang]

I'm poor, really poor. Grew up poor as child. Had it good for several years, but economy is making me poor. I would will not have someone else pay for my living, will not take anything from the government even though they owe me something like $200,000. I'm paying taxes also barely "monthly payments". Fucking liberals think liberal but I bet $200,000 they think opposite when it comes to their money. You piece of shit liberal fucks.

[Forever_frost]

policing the world isnt.

Never said it was, however defending our country is one of 18 things the government is supposed to do. Take our tax revenue, cut it up into constitutional obligations and rock it like that

[lowthreeohz]

I'm poor, really poor. Grew up poor as child. Had it good for several years, but economy is making me poor. I would will not have someone else pay for my living, will not take anything from the government even though they owe me something like $200,000. I'm paying taxes also barely "monthly payments". Fucking liberals think liberal but I bet $200,000 they think opposite when it comes to their money. You piece of shit liberal fucks.

They owe you 200k and you're too proud to take it?

[Denny]

They owe you 200k and you're too proud to take it?

LOL!!! I'm glad I'm not the only one calling BS on that shit.

[Forever_frost]

I'm poor, really poor. Grew up poor as child. Had it good for several years, but economy is making me poor. I would will not have someone else pay for my living, will not take anything from the government even though they owe me something like $200,000. I'm paying taxes also barely "monthly payments". Fucking liberals think liberal but I bet $200,000 they think opposite when it comes to their money. You piece of shit liberal fucks.

How do they owe you 200k with you being poor?

[Denny]

How do they owe you 200k with you being poor?

Hey, they owe me a shitload too!

[stevo]

How do they owe you 200k with you being poor?

They owe him for gracing everyone with his presence.

Stevo

[Forever_frost]

They owe him for gracing everyone with his presence.

Stevo

Got it Steve. Thanks for the heads up.

[Avery'sDad]

And EVERYBODY pays.

Screw the 48% that ain't paying a dime and getting the fruits of the 52% of us that do pay taxes.

There's that "why'd you vote for Obama?" thread I replied to him and others in... it's amazing how some people can literally be A-O-K with taxing the fucking taste out of this "rich" class... and completely ignore reality involving that 48%. It's obscene.

This whole post drives me crazy. If 48% aren't paying that means those that ARE paying are paying MORE than their fair share. They're having to pick up the slack for the 48 who aren't putting a dime in. Then you have those who put nothing in but get money back. Last I heard that was about 25% of the population.

It’s A Myth That 47% Of Americans Pay No Taxes, In Truth 86% Pay Taxes

By Jason Easley

A favorite talking point used by conservatives to justify giving more tax breaks to the wealthy is that 50% of Americans pay no taxes. The truth is that 86% of Americans pay taxes.

Here is Donald Trump on Fox and Friends this morning via Media Matters claiming that 50% of Americans pay no taxes:

Sean Hannity has also pushed this talking point hard:

The truth is that the talking point that half of all Americans pay no taxes is a misrepresentation. Here is the full quote from the Tax Policy Center,

The fraction of tax units paying no income tax varies widely by filing status and type of unit. About 47 percent of single filers will owe no tax, compared with 38 percent of joint filers and 72 percent of heads of household. More than half of elderly tax units and tax units with children will pay no income tax this year.

The 47% statistic is not all Americans pay no taxes, but single filers who will pay no federal income taxes. According to the Center On Budget and Policy Priorities the real reason why 47%-51% of Americans paid no federal income taxes in 2009 is,

The 51 percent figure is an anomaly that reflects the unique circumstances of 2009, when the recession greatly swelled the number of Americans with low incomes and when temporary tax cuts created by the 2009 Recovery Act — including the “Making Work Pay” tax credit and an exclusion from tax of the first $2,400 in unemployment benefits — were in effect. Together, these developments removed millions of Americans from the federal income tax rolls. Both of these temporary tax measures have since expired.

The combination of the recession and the Obama stimulus cut taxes to low and middle income Americans led to fewer Americans owing federal income tax in 2009.

The Tax Policy Center has tried to correct Fox News and the right wing media’s misuse of their research. In April 2010, Howard Glickman of the TPC wrote,

Let me explain—repeat actually—what this means: About half of taxpayers paid no federal income tax last year. It does not mean they paid no tax at all. Many shelled out Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes. In fact, only 14 percent of Americans didn’t pay either income or payroll taxes. Some paid property taxes and, it is fair to say, just about all of them paid sales taxes of one kind or another. So to say they pay no taxes is flat wrong.

However, this class warfare-like rhetoric plays to a perception that the income tax is a chump tax: Only hard-working folks like us pay it. The welfare queens don’t. The super-rich don’t. It is a powerful emotional argument. It is also flat wrong.

The actual number of Americans who don’t pay any taxes isn’t half, but 14%. This group of non-taxpayers of any kind is largely composed of the elderly and disabled. The people who don’t pay taxes do so because they can’t work.

The myth that the wealthy are carrying the tax burden for America is used to justify tax cuts for the rich. Conservatives use the inaccurate statistic hand in hand with their, “wealthy are the job creators argument.” One statistic that was intended to demonstrate the loss of income due to the recession, along with the impact of the Obama tax cuts has been distorted and misused to justify a policy of not asking the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share.

The truth is that 86% of Americans pay taxes. In one recession strapped year (2009), less than half of single filer taxpayers paid federal income taxes.

Millions of Americans are not being told the truth that almost 90% of us pay taxes, and that much of the reason why there were fewer people paying federal income taxes in 2009 was that Barack Obama signed the largest tax cut in US history.

Since the truth undercuts the conservative’s reverse Robin Hood steal from the poor to give to the rich policy, they are going to do their best to keep the facts buried under a mountain of misinformation.

Anytime anyone tells you that half of Americans paid no taxes, do your country a favor and straighten them out. We have the facts. It’s time to tear down this talking point.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/half-americans-taxes

[Vertnut]

About halfway down that article, it comes out. They don't pay income tax.

[Slowhand]

About halfway down that article, it comes out. They don't pay income tax.

Jesus christ. 1000 words of shit to hide that simple truth. Even further, the difference in their payment of medicare/social security and yours and mine is that they benefit from it; you and I never will.

[Vertnut]

Jesus christ. 1000 words of shit to hide that simple truth. Even further, the difference in their payment of medicare/social security and yours and mine is that they benefit from it; you and I never will.

You and I DO agree here, little brother. Your generation has quite a challenge ahead. I'll be gone, and you guys will have to foot the bill.

[DON SVO]

It’s A Myth That 47% Of Americans Pay No Taxes, In Truth 86% Pay Taxes

By Jason Easley

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47% paid no federal income tax... WHICH IS the tax that pays for everything our government is under fire for because of their tendency to squander and give away (especially to the group that doesn't pay federal income tax) this money.

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In the other thread, Avery'sDad, I specified Federal Income Tax. I don't understand why so many libs want to do everything possible to duck around reality and speak in half-truths.

let's simplify this: your property tax does jack shit to affect Federal Income Tax shortfalls. Social Security pay-in affects nothing in terms of Federal Income Tax shortfalls. The 83 cents paid at 7-11 per 12 pack of Natty Light does nothing to affect Federal Income Tax shortfalls.

We're not upset over people being broke/poor/etc, we're upset because almost half of this country does nothing to help with the biggest powderkeg of all, then has the nerve to bitch about "rich" people needing to pay more.