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  • Strychnine
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    Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
    Then how come we have 1000 locomotives and 30,000 cars sitting in storage.

    This is from Sep 2011.

    US Inland Oil Boom Leading To Rail Car Shortage

    HOUSTON (Dow Jones)--A looming shortage of rail cars threatens to throttle oil companies' plans to increase the amount of crude they transport out of booming oil fields in the interior of the U.S.

    As oil in North Dakota and south Texas is pumped out of the ground faster than available pipelines can carry it away, refiners have turned to railroads to bring in petroleum shipments.

    The number of railcars hauling crude oil has jumped suddenly in the past few years as new drilling technology has unlocked oil and gas reserves in areas previously considered economically unattractive, such as the Bakken shale in North Dakota and the Eagle Ford shale in south Texas. About 46,000 carloads of crude traveled the rails in 2010, 57% higher from the year before, according to the latest statistics from the Association of American Railroads. The scarcity of cars is expected to last another few years, when pipeline projects are expected to come online to link the newly prolific oil fields to market.

    Musket Corp., Lario Logistics LLC and other companies are building rail terminals at the Bakken and Eagle Ford, both of which produce crude oil at relatively low market prices because of a supply glut in the main oil storage hub of Cushing, Okla. Suppliers then ship the oil via unit trains -- more than a hundred cars each -- to markets where oil prices are higher, such as Louisiana.

    This problem comes as refiners and fuel shippers increasingly rely on the price difference between the crude delivered at Cushing and the higher global price to make a profit. Tesoro Corp. (TSO) is building a "pipeline on rails" that would run 120 rail cars of crude oil every other day from the Bakken Shale in North Dakota to its 120,000 barrel-a-day refinery in Anacortes, Wash.

    But the sudden need for crude oil railcars demand has outstripped supply. Union Tank Car Co., one of the major manufacturers of rail cars, has leased out its entire hazardous material railcar fleet to be used in hauling crude and has a "sizeable" production backlog, company spokesman Bruce Winslow said.

    "Our lease fleet is leased," Winslow said.

    Within the next six months, rail capacity for crude oil leaving the Bakken Shale field in North Dakota will double to 300,000 barrels a day, according to Musket Corp. Bakken oil production reached 425,000 barrels a day in June, up 8% year to date, and North Dakota government projections say it could reach about a million barrels a day by December 2018.

    Analysts aren't sure whether the shortage of rail cars will directly cause shale oil producers to slow the flow out of their wells, but it could make some production unprofitable. The costs for alternative transport methods such as trucks could have high enough price tags that drillers decide the added price isn't worth the effort, said Chris Ross, senior analyst for oil and gas at CRA Marakon.

    "You can always find someway of getting the oil out," Ross said. "But it costs more and changes the wellhead economics."

    As rail car supply dwindles, providers are hiking their rates. Rail car lease prices have nearly doubled in the past 18 months, reaching about $1,000 a month per car as part of leases that last for about five years, said Larry Padfield, vice president at U.S. Development Group, which operates a 40,000 barrel-a-day crude terminal in the Eagle Ford region.

    "Absolutely, beyond a doubt, infrastructure is getting tighter," Padfield said. "They can't make cars fast enough."

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  • Vertnut
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    Another article on Drudge today about transporting crude by rail. Bottom line is it adds $3 per barrel to ship by rail over the pipeline cost.

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  • SMEGMA STENCH
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    Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post

    So yeah just like I said. We can't strike. Google it. Last time we threatened strike they had 3 lawmakers and Federal judges on call to sign the injunction.
    You may not be "allowed" to but that doesn't necessarily mean it will never happen.

    As for your constant questioning of all the union haters, I can't believe you haven't realized. On the whole, unions do more harm than good. Yeah, you have different ones out there and some really aren't all that bad. But you got a LOT of the big ones out there making life miserable for a lot of people so what do you expect? Everyone to love them?

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  • Vertnut
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    Just saw a blip about congress trying to go around Barry on this pipeline. It seems they are going straight to the regulatory commission to get a permit issued? Should be interesting...

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  • Forever_frost
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    Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
    Are you that blind with rage or just dense lol. I love how you fill in the blanks of what he basicly said as you put it. Every CEO is like a politican. You think he's going to come out and say I'm so happy this deal is dead because we are going to make a shit load of money off it.

    He said, "The end of the Keystone Pipeline project puts the U.S. at a competitive disadvantage and My concern is ultimately what does it do for competitiveness in America
    So what you're saying is we can't take what you say as fact, we actually have to research applicable law because when you're called out on being wrong, you'll claim sarcasm. You also believe I'm blind with rage or dense. I'm being rational and calm and pointing out facts.

    Fact: You said you can strike.

    Fact: You said you can't strike.

    These two facts are in stark contrast to one another. Which is it? Can you or can't you?

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  • stevo
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    Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
    LOL that blind rage is getting to you. So if we actually never had a strike because the Law Makers got involved which they are required to do by law. How can you call me a liar when I said we aren't allowed to strike? So who's crawfishing.
    LOL blind rage? I'm laughing at your attempt to bullshit your way of lying in the first thread about going on strike. You attempted to lie then, tried to cover it up by calling it 'sarcasm' yesterday, and have been slobbering like an idiot to spin it since. How is it you claim you were going to go on strike, if you can't legally? Simple, you are full of shit.

    Keep on being the village idiot of the political forum though, we need the laughs in here.

    Stevo

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  • Broncojohnny
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    Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
    Are you that blind with rage or just dense lol. I love how you fill in the blanks of what he basicly said as you put it. Every CEO is like a politican. You think he's going to come out and say I'm so happy this deal is dead because we are going to make a shit load of money off it.

    He said, "The end of the Keystone Pipeline project puts the U.S. at a competitive disadvantage and My concern is ultimately what does it do for competitiveness in America
    lol

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  • FreightTrain
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    Originally posted by stevo View Post
    Yeah... No lies in there, but it is starting to smell like a crawfish boil un here.

    Stevo
    LOL that blind rage is getting to you. So if we actually never had a strike because the Law Makers got involved which they are required to do by law. How can you call me a liar when I said we aren't allowed to strike? So who's crawfishing.

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  • Broncojohnny
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    Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
    And the media is going to take that and run with it. Here is a new's flash. China was going to buy that amount of oil regardless of a pipeline.
    Of course they were, we all know that price has nothing to do with their demand!

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  • stevo
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    Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
    We aren't allowed to strike.
    Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
    We were set to strike on Dec 7.
    Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
    We aren't allowed to strike.
    Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
    the first strike was pushed back from Oct 7
    Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
    We aren't allowed to strike.
    Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
    it will be 3 years until we get our next chance at a strike.
    Yeah... No lies in there, but it is starting to smell like a crawfish boil un here.

    Stevo

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  • FreightTrain
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    And the media is going to take that and run with it. Here is a new's flash. China was going to buy that amount of oil regardless of a pipeline.

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  • FreightTrain
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    Originally posted by stevo View Post
    So, what does that act have to do with you lying in this forum again? Does it mention crawfish?

    Stevo

    Why don't you go read it since you called me the liar. This Forum is full of people that can't argue shit. Their only argument is oh you're a union worker. You didn't even read that thread you linked. You just read the title which was being sarcasitic on my part because in that thread I explained why we couldn't strike and why the government won't let us strike. I also talked about the Railway Labor act in the first post of that thread. So who's crawfishing?

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  • FreightTrain
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    Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
    Basically he said without the pipeline we can't compete. Which means trains can't compete with a pipeline. Thus, FT, not doing very well on this discussion are you?
    Are you that blind with rage or just dense lol. I love how you fill in the blanks of what he basicly said as you put it. Every CEO is like a politican. You think he's going to come out and say I'm so happy this deal is dead because we are going to make a shit load of money off it.

    He said, "The end of the Keystone Pipeline project puts the U.S. at a competitive disadvantage and My concern is ultimately what does it do for competitiveness in America

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  • stevo
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    Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
    Go read the Railway Labor Act and everything I've said or posted goes along with that. You and Frost are the dumbass' that don't know what you are talking about.
    So, what does that act have to do with you lying in this forum again? Does it mention crawfish?

    Stevo

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