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    I guess he's made his decision, even though it isn't past the election. It's the decision we figured we would get from him. This oil will be going to the chinks next year. Thanks!





    The State Department will announce the decision on Keystone XL pipeline is "no," as early as Wednesday, an industry source told Fox News, suggesting that the department will say 60 days is inadequate time to do the required environmental impact assessment on the path of the coveted pipeline.
    For three years, the State Department has been reviewing the initial proposal to run a pipeline from Canada down to Texas through a sensitive Nebraska aquifer -- authority it has because of the transnational path the route takes. The pipeline had been through several other federal, state and local approvals, but the department backed away from signing off on the plan last year after environmentalists complained.
    Industry workers and Republicans contend the project would create thousands of jobs, and Canada's prime minister has warned if the U.S. can't get on board, the North American nation will look to team with China.
    "Unfortunately Prime Minister Harper of Canada just this week said because of the volatile indecisiveness on the part of this president, that they feel they are being held hostage and they will take their energy elsewhere specifically to Asia and China," Jack Gerard, president and CEO of the American Petroleum Institute, told Fox News Radio.
    In December, Congress attached to the payroll tax cut a deadline of 60 days for the State Department to determine approval for an alternative route. A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner pointed out that the legislation doesn't permit the State Department to reject the plan, only President Obama. The language says if he rejects the pipeline, Obama must then issue a report to Congress "that provides a justification for determination, including consideration of economic, employment, energy security, foreign policy, trade and environmental factors."
    On Tuesday, Obama's own jobs council suggested that it agrees with the pipeline concept. While not specifically mentioning Keystone in a report out Tuesday about improving competitiveness, the council said that when it comes to energy projects in general, the government needs to "expeditiously, though cautiously, move forward on projects that can support hundreds of thousands of jobs."
    "We think this all-in energy strategy can create significant economic growths and significant job creation," said Lewis Hay, NextEra Energy CEO and a member of the president's job council.
    Obama has noted his environmental concerns when it comes to energy exploration but insisted Tuesday that a balance could be found.
    "I think the recommendations are sound. We see enormous potential in production of traditional fossil fuels," he said without mentioning Keystone.
    As oil prices rose Wednesday on fresh signs the U.S. economy was improving, which could lead to stronger demand for gasoline and other energy products, the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental group, argued that the pipeline doesn't make the U.S. anymore energy secure just because it would get oil from a close neighbor and friend.
    Instead of carrying common crude oil, the Keystone XL pipeline would carry thick, toxic bitumen for refining in the Gulf states, effectively transporting pollution from Canada to the United States," reads the NRDC report..
    "It is not in the national interest to lock the United States into supporting an expensive and dirty form of oil for many years to come. Also, additional capacity for tar sands oil perpetuates America's addiction to oil, and undermines the clean energy alternatives that would bring genuine energy security," the NRDC report continues.
    But Gerard said the president's refusal to approve the pipeline is a "clear abdication of leadership." House Speaker John Boehner also accused the president of trying to put off a politically difficult decision until after the election.
    "This is not good for our country," Boehner said. "The president wants to put this off until it's convenient for him to make a decision. ... The president's got an opportunity to create 100,000 new jobs almost immediately. The president should say yes."


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz1jpjofXEb
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  • #2
    He is so extremely against oil companies its unreal. Its like he has a vendetta. Fuck him.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by The Geofster View Post
      I guess he's made his decision, even though it isn't past the election. It's the decision we figured we would get from him. This oil will be going to the chinks next year. Thanks!





      The State Department will announce the decision on Keystone XL pipeline is "no," as early as Wednesday, an industry source told Fox News, suggesting that the department will say 60 days is inadequate time to do the required environmental impact assessment on the path of the coveted pipeline.
      For three years, the State Department has been reviewing the initial proposal to run a pipeline from Canada down to Texas through a sensitive Nebraska aquifer -- authority it has because of the transnational path the route takes. The pipeline had been through several other federal, state and local approvals, but the department backed away from signing off on the plan last year after environmentalists complained.
      Industry workers and Republicans contend the project would create thousands of jobs, and Canada's prime minister has warned if the U.S. can't get on board, the North American nation will look to team with China.
      "Unfortunately Prime Minister Harper of Canada just this week said because of the volatile indecisiveness on the part of this president, that they feel they are being held hostage and they will take their energy elsewhere specifically to Asia and China," Jack Gerard, president and CEO of the American Petroleum Institute, told Fox News Radio.
      In December, Congress attached to the payroll tax cut a deadline of 60 days for the State Department to determine approval for an alternative route. A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner pointed out that the legislation doesn't permit the State Department to reject the plan, only President Obama. The language says if he rejects the pipeline, Obama must then issue a report to Congress "that provides a justification for determination, including consideration of economic, employment, energy security, foreign policy, trade and environmental factors."
      On Tuesday, Obama's own jobs council suggested that it agrees with the pipeline concept. While not specifically mentioning Keystone in a report out Tuesday about improving competitiveness, the council said that when it comes to energy projects in general, the government needs to "expeditiously, though cautiously, move forward on projects that can support hundreds of thousands of jobs."
      "We think this all-in energy strategy can create significant economic growths and significant job creation," said Lewis Hay, NextEra Energy CEO and a member of the president's job council.
      Obama has noted his environmental concerns when it comes to energy exploration but insisted Tuesday that a balance could be found.
      "I think the recommendations are sound. We see enormous potential in production of traditional fossil fuels," he said without mentioning Keystone.
      As oil prices rose Wednesday on fresh signs the U.S. economy was improving, which could lead to stronger demand for gasoline and other energy products, the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental group, argued that the pipeline doesn't make the U.S. anymore energy secure just because it would get oil from a close neighbor and friend.
      Instead of carrying common crude oil, the Keystone XL pipeline would carry thick, toxic bitumen for refining in the Gulf states, effectively transporting pollution from Canada to the United States," reads the NRDC report..
      "It is not in the national interest to lock the United States into supporting an expensive and dirty form of oil for many years to come. Also, additional capacity for tar sands oil perpetuates America's addiction to oil, and undermines the clean energy alternatives that would bring genuine energy security," the NRDC report continues.
      But Gerard said the president's refusal to approve the pipeline is a "clear abdication of leadership." House Speaker John Boehner also accused the president of trying to put off a politically difficult decision until after the election.
      "This is not good for our country," Boehner said. "The president wants to put this off until it's convenient for him to make a decision. ... The president's got an opportunity to create 100,000 new jobs almost immediately. The president should say yes."


      Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz1jpjofXEb
      TRANSLATION: "We hope gasoline goes to $10 a gallon so solar power looks that much more attractive. And we don't care how much the economy suffers in the meantime just as long as we protect our conscience and spotted owls"
      Originally posted by racrguy
      What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
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      Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Trip McNeely View Post
        He is so extremely against oil companies its unreal. Its like he has a bunch of special interest groups to please instead of the actual population of the country. Fuck him.
        fixed...

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        • #5
          What perfect timing. Iran is threatening to close the Strait of Hormuz, Israel is pushing the U.S. to go fight Iran for them and that Kenyan in Chief is walking away from 50+ years of oil. Further proof that the Communists (aka democrats) are doing there best to destroy the country. At the rate we are going we might hit 3rd status before Europe does and they had a 20 year head start

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          • #6
            Bad, bad move, for a lot of reasons. I knew this was coming, though I hoped it wasn't. Barry HAS GOT TO KEEP HIS BASE. It's a telling sign, actually. He knows without that base of nuts and tree-huggers, he doesn't have a chance in '12. The unions are split on this project from what I understand. Iran is watching this, too. Oil will go up just because of this one decision, because it affects all the future decisions concerning oil drilling and exploration.

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            • #7
              This is great news for the railroads. Thanks for the extra work Mr. Obama

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              • #8
                Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
                This is great news for the railroads. Thanks for the extra work Mr. Obama
                Barry and Warren Buffet are tight.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Vertnut View Post
                  Barry and Warren Buffet are tight.
                  The infrastructure is already in place to ship the oil by rail. Plus one train can move 60,000 barrels of oil at one time. Why spend billions on a pipeline when you don't need it.

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                  • #10
                    Hope all the DAMN treehuggers enjoy $10 a gallon gas .

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
                      The infrastructure is already in place to ship the oil by rail. Plus one train can move 60,000 barrels of oil at one time. Why spend billions on a pipeline when you don't need it.
                      Ummm, the pipeline will move 435k barrels a day, just to start. Not to mention the tens of thousands of jobs during and after construction. Rail is not the only answer to all our energy problems. Ethanol cannot be pipelined, and it's a total debacle. You're not even figuring in transportation costs' for all that oil. Buffet isn't going to move that oil for nothing.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
                        The infrastructure is already in place to ship the oil by rail. Plus one train can move 60,000 barrels of oil at one time. Why spend billions on a pipeline when you don't need it.
                        Look at the union guy talking about unnecessary spending.
                        Originally posted by Broncojohnny
                        HOORAY ME and FUCK YOU!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Vertnut View Post
                          Ummm, the pipeline will move 435k barrels a day, just to start. Not to mention the tens of thousands of jobs during and after construction. Rail is not the only answer to all our energy problems. Ethanol cannot be pipelined, and it's a total debacle. You're not even figuring in transportation costs' for all that oil. Buffet isn't going to move that oil for nothing.
                          You think the railroad is only capable of running one train a day. They could run 10 oil trains a day and blow that 435k barrel pipe line out of the water. Depending on the mileage the railroad would charge about 50k per train. So transportation cost equals less than $1 per barrel. Right now they are running oil trains out of the Eagle Ford and trains are sitting around waiting because they can't get it out of the ground fast enough.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FreightTrain View Post
                            You think the railroad is only capable of running one train a day. They could run 10 oil trains a day and blow that 435k barrel pipe line out of the water. Depending on the mileage the railroad would charge about 50k per train. So transportation cost equals less than $1 per barrel. Right now they are running oil trains out of the Eagle Ford and trains are sitting around waiting because they can't get it out of the ground fast enough.
                            So when they increase it to 600k barrels per day, we're talking $4.2m per week to move it, or $220m a year (by your numbers). Long term, the pipeline still works, plus it goes straight to refineries

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Vertnut View Post
                              So when they increase it to 600k barrels per day, we're talking $4.2m per week to move it, or $220m a year (by your numbers). Long term, the pipeline still works, plus it goes straight to refineries
                              No sense in arguing with morons.
                              How do we forget ourselves? How do we forget our minds?

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