For those who still back Obama, why and what do you expect if there is a second term

[Forever_frost]

Agreed it is a turd.
I'm for a heathcare bill that places limits on what Insurance companys can charge and requires large business's to provide heathcare or at least pay half.
My wife has MS and under the existing system there is no way I can afford to pay for insurace for her. Most companys won't insure her and the ones that do charge $1000 or more a month for crappy $10,000 deductable insurance. My insurance would be areound $160.

I believe the Patriot act was treated the same way. It certainly wasn't released to the public.

Under what Constitutional power would the federal government tell a company what they must charge for a private good?

[Forever_frost]

You mention Bush and the Patriot Act, what do you think about Obama and his NDAA? And you don't remember the "If you don't vote for health care you want Americans to die?" campaign? And if you're upset about Iraq, I bet you're PISSED about Libya and Uganda

[Vertnut]

fixed.



says the billionare who took 11 cookies and told the conservative to watch out for the other welfare/union/liberal, etc. Hes going to take that last cookie from you.




2 curse words in one post. I didn't take you for one that resorted to childish name calling. I might post some controversial things, but even I haven't resorted to that level. I am dissapoint.



This. for people that can look past the god/guns and pro-life crap. It's blatantly obvious. Rude awakening come November.

"Pussy" is not a curse word. I'll give you the other one. There's just not another good word for "chickenshit".

[4eyedwillie]

If large businesses are required to provide healthcare they will, in many cases, simply not hire additional employees.

And what large business's are hiring now? The repubs theory of Trickle down economics is working so very well.........

But your right some may not hire but at a certain point you need more people to grow. Are you gonna cut off your nose to spit your face or are you going to bite the bullit and count it as the cost of doing business and grow?

[The King]

Agreed it is a turd.
I'm for a heathcare bill that places limits on what Insurance companys can charge and requires large business's to provide heathcare or at least pay half.
My wife has MS and under the existing system there is no way I can afford to pay for insurace for her. Most companys won't insure her and the ones that do charge $1000 or more a month for crappy $10,000 deductable insurance. My insurance would be areound $160.

I believe the Patriot act was treated the same way. It certainly wasn't released to the public.

If large businesses are required to provide healthcare they will, in many cases, simply not hire additional employees.

[4eyedwillie]

That's no excuse for passing such a gargantuan turd behind the backs of the U'S. people.

Pelosi "....we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it...."

Agreed it is a turd.
I'm for a heathcare bill that places limits on what Insurance companys can charge and requires large business's to provide heathcare or at least pay half.
My wife has MS and under the existing system there is no way I can afford to pay for insurace for her. Most companys won't insure her and the ones that do charge $1000 or more a month for crappy $10,000 deductable insurance. My insurance would be areound $160.

I believe the Patriot act was treated the same way. It certainly wasn't released to the public.

[Gargamel]

Are they 99%ers?

The Repubs are out for the 1%'ers and piss on the average guy.

Game, set, match....

[Avery'sDad]

He is still a threat to win because I don't believe most people care for the Republicans.

fixed.

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.

its that simple, there are more pauls that peters it seems. and the pauls are are gullible sheeple and fall into the pop culture marketing used in the last election.

god bless.

says the billionare who took 11 cookies and told the conservative to watch out for the other welfare/union/liberal, etc. Hes going to take that last cookie from you.

He's not my idol. Where did you get that? You're a chickenshit. I can tell it in your voice...a do nothing. You'd have to be to give Barry your allegiance.

Don't turn pussy on me...

2 curse words in one post. I didn't take you for one that resorted to childish name calling. I might post some controversial things, but even I haven't resorted to that level. I am dissapoint.

He's not responsible for everything BUT He did more than his fair share to wreck this country.
I said earlier I'm not happy with Obama BUT I don't see a alternative. The Repubs are totally out of touch with the average person. The average person just wants a job and to live his or her life without being fucked with by the goverment. The Repubs are out for the 1%'ers and piss on the average guy. "Don't you dare kill the tax cut for the wealthy!" "We can't afford to keep the payroll tax cut" for the person who actually works for a living and needs it. This attitude will be what hurts the Repubs with the average voter.

This. for people that can look past the god/guns and pro-life crap. It's blatantly obvious. Rude awakening come November.

[4eyedwillie]

Keep using W "its his fault" Bush as your wipping boy for everything including continental drift instead of focusing on the needs of the country now.... this stuff is Republican gold....

He's not responsible for everything BUT He did more than his fair share to wreck this country.
I said earlier I'm not happy with Obama BUT I don't see a alternative. The Repubs are totally out of touch with the average person. The average person just wants a job and to live his or her life without being fucked with by the goverment. The Repubs are out for the 1%'ers and piss on the average guy. "Don't you dare kill the tax cut for the wealthy!" "We can't afford to keep the payroll tax cut" for the person who actually works for a living and needs it. This attitude will be what hurts the Repubs with the average voter.

[The King]

Nope it doesn't. Just examples of how Bush (or rather Cheny) handled things, you did menation Bushs 8 years.

Agreed that there was alot of pressure applied an both sides of the aisle during the heathcare bill fiasco. That bill is NOTHING like Obama wanted. Obama tried working with the repubs and compromised and that is the pile of doo we ended up with. Don't think some of those things weren't put in there to wreck it.

That's no excuse for passing such a gargantuan turd behind the backs of the U'S. people.

Pelosi "....we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it...."

[Gargamel]

Nope it doesn't.

Just so we're all on the same page...

Agreed that there was alot of pressure applied an both sides of the aisle during the heathcare bill fiasco. That bill is NOTHING like Obama wanted. Obama tried working with the repubs and compromised and that is the pile of doo we ended up with. Don't thing some of those things weren't put in there to wreck it.

The bill is NOTHING like Obama wanted because the Republicans didn't want it at all, in any form, including a very large segment of Americans.

[4eyedwillie]

What does any of that have to do with the way Obamacare was handled on the hill? Oh yea, nothing...

Nope it doesn't. Just examples of how Bush (or rather Cheny) handled things, you did menation Bushs 8 years.

Agreed that there was alot of pressure applied an both sides of the aisle during the heathcare bill fiasco. That bill is NOTHING like Obama wanted. Obama tried working with the repubs and compromised and that is the pile of doo we ended up with. Don't think some of those things weren't put in there to wreck it.

[Gargamel]

Well I remember Nixon do I get a cookie?
You don't think there's plenty of back stage pressure on the Repub side?
Lets see antics.....

What I've stated earlier about the Patriot act.

In time of trouble elections can be suspended (in 2007) Not used but what a opportunity.

We have to invade Iraq because they're going to launch another terror attack (you would be amazed at the number of people that think the first one came from there) How many of our people were killed and injuredbecause of this?

Iraq has WMD's OMG! Who gives a rats ass if they have chemical weapons if no americans are there. You worried about WMD's North Korea has freakin NUKS and their even more batshit crazy that Sadam ever was.

Gotta bailout the banks cause their to big to fail! With NO restrictions on how the money was used. I remember in the hearings leading up to it McCain sat there like a bump on a log and Obama was asking about what kind of restictions would be placed on them. Guess what there weren't any


There are others but thats the highlights

What does any of that have to do with the way Obamacare was handled on the hill? Oh yea, nothing...

Keep using W "its his fault" Bush as your wipping boy for everything including continental drift instead of focusing on the needs of the country now.... this stuff is Republican gold....

[onemeangixxer7502]

LMAO

thats awesome

[4eyedwillie]

To me, that is his opinion.... One that I didn't agree with BTW.

It still does not validate your point that the Obama Administration's Congressional back stage antics on Obamacare was light years above and beyond anything that happened during the 8 years of W. (or anything within memory, and my memory starts at Ford BTW)

Well I remember Nixon do I get a cookie?
You don't think there's plenty of back stage pressure on the Repub side?
Lets see antics.....

What I've stated earlier about the Patriot act.

In time of trouble elections can be suspended (in 2007) Not used but what a opportunity.

We have to invade Iraq because they're going to launch another terror attack (you would be amazed at the number of people that think the first one came from there) How many of our people were killed and injuredbecause of this?

Iraq has WMD's OMG! Who gives a rats ass if they have chemical weapons if no americans are there. You worried about WMD's North Korea has freakin NUKS and their even more batshit crazy that Sadam ever was.

Gotta bailout the banks cause their to big to fail! With NO restrictions on how the money was used. I remember in the hearings leading up to it McCain sat there like a bump on a log and Obama was asking about what kind of restictions would be placed on them. Guess what there weren't any


There are others but thats the highlights