For those who still back Obama, why and what do you expect if there is a second term

[Baba Ganoush]

Doesn't matter.


There is a group in control of this country and it's neither democratic nor republican, and it's definately not the people. The election process and two party system is all a show to entertain the masses while the real man behind the curtain answers to no one. It's too late for us, we would have to burn it all down and start from scratch.



So vote for whomever, it won't change shit.

[mikec]

...The Repubs want Romney, I just dont get that? It shows, how out of touch they really are. In my opinion, Ron Paul could do some serious damage this election if he were the candidate.

I would consider myself an independent voter with no party affiliation.

He IS the candidate, just not being recognized as such...

[Got5onIt]

We gonna git a free water melon every week along wid our Lone Star card !

What about free gubment cheese, mayo, and a monthly rent fer our trailer Momma? I sure will buy a 12 pack o' tall boys wit my huntin' money, then whip out the ol' Lone Star card for Momma's orange juice.





As for why Obama will win, the GOP has a public perception of being out of touch with the middle class. Look at the mudslinging occurring between candidates while the Dems just kick back and smile. Also, the frontrunner for the GOP is a career politician (yes, i know Dems are as well), born into considerable wealth (Most politicians are but Romney is getting hit with this quite often), and follows a form of religion most Americans know zilch about. The infighting and instability of the GOP with the Tea Party, etc. and it just seems like Obama is primed for a 2nd term.

The Repubs want Romney, I just dont get that? It shows, how out of touch they really are. In my opinion, Ron Paul could do some serious damage this election if he were the candidate.

I would consider myself an independent voter with no party affiliation.

[mikec]

Yessir. Pretty much like armadillo's...strictly found in Texas.

Not true sir. They are prevalent in Louisiana as well. Gillis B Long disease research center in Gonzalez pays relatively well for the little buggers. Think they were researching Leprosy on them back when I helped to paint that place in the mid 80's...

[Vertnut]

You know what I mean. There used to be conservative democrats. We used to have those.

Yessir. Pretty much like armadillo's...strictly found in Texas.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

You know what I mean. There used to be conservative democrats. We used to have those.

[Vertnut]

I agree with you there. The poor are going to stay poor, unless they choose to wrench themselves from their poverty. However, which would you rather be? A poor guy with hope of getting a job? Or a poor guy with no hope of getting a job? Or maybe its that the libtards never really understood Reagan's trickle down economics. Of course they would want it to mean that money literally trickles down right into their pockets without them having to work for it. Reagan would assume that because the rich were not being robbed by the government, that they would of course expand (as rich people will always do) and thus create more jobs. With the end effect being that there are more jobs for the poor to work at. Which to me, sounds like "trickle down" works just fine.



Typically, liberals hate any kind of real punishment. While she may have stood for the control of firearms, you don't call someone a liberal who thinks that anyone who opposes the death penalty is stupid. So my point stands. I think you'll find plenty of "conservative" or "republican" politicians in favor of some measure of gun control as well. I call them garbage, I don't know what you call them.

I'd say she was a liberal that agreed with the death penalty.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

Nice theory to bad Trickle down economics has been proven to be BS.

I agree with you there. The poor are going to stay poor, unless they choose to wrench themselves from their poverty. However, which would you rather be? A poor guy with hope of getting a job? Or a poor guy with no hope of getting a job? Or maybe its that the libtards never really understood Reagan's trickle down economics. Of course they would want it to mean that money literally trickles down right into their pockets without them having to work for it. Reagan would assume that because the rich were not being robbed by the government, that they would of course expand (as rich people will always do) and thus create more jobs. With the end effect being that there are more jobs for the poor to work at. Which to me, sounds like "trickle down" works just fine.

I'm not sure if we're talking about the same Ann Richards. The Governor was staunchly against our right to carry (CHL), she authored and instituted "Robin Hood" in Texas schools, and backed the reduction of manufacturing semi-automatic weapons and that's just a few. If that's a not a "liberal" to you, I'd like to have you point one out.

Typically, liberals hate any kind of real punishment. While she may have stood for the control of firearms, you don't call someone a liberal who thinks that anyone who opposes the death penalty is stupid. So my point stands. I think you'll find plenty of "conservative" or "republican" politicians in favor of some measure of gun control as well. I call them garbage, I don't know what you call them.

[mikec]

Don't any of you see what is happening?

Politicians want us all to argue like this so we can keep on our different sides while they play all the blame games and keep passing bills that only hurt us normal people.

BOTH PARTIES are responsible for the mess we are in now. This did NOT start with the current administration, or the previous administration, but BOTH are guilty of causing some of the problems we are seeing now. Our current problems actually started decades ago, not recently.

So, are y'all gonna keep on arguing over who to blame or are we gonna look to see what WE as the people of the United States of America can do to get us as a nation back on track?

Game and Point!

[Up0n0ne]

LOL at the Rep / Dem arguement again. They are no different nowadays, it's the political WWE. This is why this nation is and will continue down the toilet sewer pipe, they both work for the same offshore bankers, the one's that make up the federal reserve central bank.
Research Jeckyll Island and how the Fed Res came to be. This IMO was the start of it all, America was sold and isn't ran with America or the Amercian people's best interest anymore.
Those that think this all just happened overnight is kidding themselves. Those that continue to buy into the false left/right paradigm are failing to look behind the curtain, it's all theater now.

[Vertnut]

I have to agree with you on the whole "Fuck the republicans standpoint". They're garbage, just like the democraps. There are only a handful of repubs that represent my point of view. At best. But don't be fooled into thinking the dems are any better cause they're a lot worse. The type of socialist, quasi-communism that they stand for has been proven disastrous so many times that its a wonder the democratic party still exists at all. Just look at the trouble that any state that adopts their philosophy, is in. Financially. Collapse very very VERY bad for the people.



I don't think we really changed. Ann Richards was a dem but not a liberal. She said anyone who thinks we shouldn't have the death penalty is stupid. Its that the dem party has changed, but we didn't change with it.



Then I'd have to ask, are you against being forced to pay for something, under threat of imprisonment? That sounds like the same kind of infringement as the patriot act. One is "We don't like you, we can take you to jail". The other is "You don't pay us, you're going to jail". What's the difference? I can't tell.

I'm not sure if we're talking about the same Ann Richards. The Governor was staunchly against our right to carry (CHL), she authored and instituted "Robin Hood" in Texas schools, and backed the reduction of manufacturing semi-automatic weapons and that's just a few. If that's a not a "liberal" to you, I'd like to have you point one out.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

After what Bush, Cheney and his conies did to our civel liberties the last time there is no way in hell I will EVER vote for another Republican. The Patriot act and the way it was RAMMED thru was such a huge blow to us as a country that I doubt we will ever recover. That plus all the obstructionism that the republicans have done since. Am I happy with how things have turned out under Obama not really but....IMO it's better than the alternative. If the Republicans would TRY to work with the Dems on at least some things they would stand a better chance. But their "it's a Obama idea so it HAS to be fought with everything we have" mentallity on absolutly every single thing is costing them with the people that matter. The people in the middle. I know most people in here are Republican nut huggers so I expect to be seriously flamed but I could careless. The OP asked a question and I gave my point of view. The Republican have shot themselves in the foot with thier childish tempertantrums and when they lose in November they have only themselves to blame. Fire suit on!

I have to agree with you on the whole "Fuck the republicans standpoint". They're garbage, just like the democraps. There are only a handful of repubs that represent my point of view. At best. But don't be fooled into thinking the dems are any better cause they're a lot worse. The type of socialist, quasi-communism that they stand for has been proven disastrous so many times that its a wonder the democratic party still exists at all. Just look at the trouble that any state that adopts their philosophy, is in. Financially. Collapse very very VERY bad for the people.

Took a while for us to come around, but it might be a looooong time before we hand power over to another liberal.

I don't think we really changed. Ann Richards was a dem but not a liberal. She said anyone who thinks we shouldn't have the death penalty is stupid. Its that the dem party has changed, but we didn't change with it.

No it wasn't because I'm totally against giving up my liberties like your IDOL bush rammed down our throats. Enough of me in Germany would have stopped Hitler. But I guess you would have been one of the ones wearing the SS symbol......

Then I'd have to ask, are you against being forced to pay for something, under threat of imprisonment? That sounds like the same kind of infringement as the patriot act. One is "We don't like you, we can take you to jail". The other is "You don't pay us, you're going to jail". What's the difference? I can't tell.

[mikec]

Dammit! What the fuck is a syllogism????

Shit. Where the hell did that come from Don?

[FastFox]

We gonna git a free water melon every week along wid our Lone Star card !

[mikeb]

My wife has MS and under the existing system there is no way I can afford to pay for insurace for her. Most companys won't insure her and the ones that do charge $1000 or more a month for crappy $10,000 deductable insurance. My insurance would be areound $160.

You can get coverage under the federal PCIP plan for her, and the rates are not unreasonable. Note that Texas has both the federally run PCIP plan and the state run high risk plan. The state plan is a lot more expensive than the federal plan. The federal PCIP plan runs until 2014 which is when insurance companies are forbidden to reject people with pre-existing conditions.

https://www.pcip.gov/