Rarely Seen Images of Tehran, Iran

[Forever_frost]

Hmm interesting. Especially considering nothing he says matches the Bible. I do have to give racr credit for defending Islam from those crazy Christians but haven't had a single word to say to criticize Islam.

What is also interesting is that Hitler was more concerned with the occult instead of the Bible. How do you explain that one Hatter?

[Maddhattter]

Hmm interesting. Especially considering nothing he says matches the Bible.

You've stated this numerous times, and have yet to show any instance of Jesus stating that the old laws, the ones that endorse all the atrocities committed against anyone who isn't christian, are null and void.

Also, since he used his religion as a motive, and was supported by the Roman Catholic Church, he was killing in God's and Jesus' name. So his example does fit your requested criteria.

I do have to give racr credit for defending Islam from those crazy Christians but haven't had a single word to say to criticize Islam.

I've never seen him support Islam. In fact, his statements in this thread indicate that he feels that christianity is no better than Islam. In other words, he thinks it's just as bad.

[Forever_frost]

That's simple. The old laws didn't pertain to anyone Christian as Christ hadn't come when the old laws were passed down. Christ was the fulfillment of the law and put us under grace, not the law. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:4.

"End" means both fulfillment and termination.

"For if that which is done away [the Old Covenant of Law] was glorious, much more that which remaineth [the New Covenant] is glorious." 2 Corinthians 3:11.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Romans 6:14.

Christians are ”dead to the law." Romans 7:4.

Christians are "delivered from the law." Romans 7:6.

"we are no longer a schoolmaster" [the law] Galatians 3:25.

[Maddhattter]

What is also interesting is that Hitler was more concerned with the occult instead of the Bible. How do you explain that one Hatter?

1. You've provided no evidence to support this assertion. It can therefore be dismissed with no evidence.

2. Even if he were concerned with the occult, it would still change nothing. He still used his religion to justify his actions, making his interest in the occult irrelevant.

[Maddhattter]

That's simple. The old laws didn't pertain to anyone Christian as Christ hadn't come when the old laws were passed down. Christ was the fulfillment of the law and put us under grace, not the law. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:4.

"End" means both fulfillment and termination.

"For if that which is done away [the Old Covenant of Law] was glorious, much more that which remaineth [the New Covenant] is glorious." 2 Corinthians 3:11.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Romans 6:14.

Christians are ”dead to the law." Romans 7:4.

Christians are "delivered from the law." Romans 7:6.

"we are no longer a schoolmaster" [the law] Galatians 3:25.

And how many of these are quotes from Jesus? Jesus never stated that the old laws are not relevant. He, in fact, stated otherwise.

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:18-19 RSV

[stevo]

So, are we still using the "christians did it 500-2000 years ago so it is alright for muslims to do it now in the modern age" defense?

Stevo

[Forever_frost]

https://www.google.com/search?q=hitler+and+the+occult&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

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Matthew 5:18

New International Version (NIV)

18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Until everything is accomplished. Christ fulfilled the law and thus accomplished it. Pretty simple.


Matt. 5:18 places time restrictions on the Old Covenant. Its words shall not pass away until heaven and earth do and "until everything is accomplished." On the other hand, Matt. 24:35 says that Jesus’ words will never pass away, even when heaven and earth do. This places no time restrictions on his words. His words subtly and quietly take authority over previous sacred texts.

[Maddhattter]

So, are we still using the "christians did it 500-2000 years ago so it is alright for muslims to do it now in the modern age" defense?

Stevo

I'm certainly not. I find islam no better than christianity.

That being said, I find christians better than islamists, as christians, at least in this country, have been forced to drop most of the similar practices called for by their holy book.

[Forever_frost]

So, are we still using the "christians did it 500-2000 years ago so it is alright for muslims to do it now in the modern age" defense?

Stevo

Yes, pretty much.

[Broncojohnny]

So, are we still using the "christians did it 500-2000 years ago so it is alright for muslims to do it now in the modern age" defense?

Stevo

Yea, I think we are. And Hitler was evidently a crusader for Christ.

[Maddhattter]

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I'm not interested in digging through all the bullshit to support your claim. If you want to assert his obsession with the occult, then you provide sources for your assertion. Then, those sources will have to stand on their own merit.

Assuming you provide valid sources, that would still change nothing. Keeping his presumed interest in the occult, irrelevant.

Matthew 5:18

New International Version (NIV)

18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

I saw this, and used it, as Jesus never said anything to indicate that he accomplished everything. Considering stuff happened after Jesus, and the entire book of Revalations indicates that stuff will happen after Jesus returns, stuff is obviously not completed.

Until everything is accomplished. Christ fulfilled the law and thus accomplished it. Pretty simple.

Again, you assert this. All evidence indicates that the bible does not agree with you.

[cyclonescott]

They weren’t trying to kill you because you are the great Satan. You were standing there with a gun in your hands were you had no business being. Just as if there was someone standing on your street shooting people you would shoot back at them. Remember the US armed most of Iraq and Iran back in the 80’s. You can thank Reagan, Oly North and H W Bush for that. And you can thank Clinton in the 90’s for selling secrets to the Chinese which I’m sure found there ways into the hand of some of the other countries over there.

Think if you had listened to your gut when you talked to your pastor. You knew it wasn’t right to kill others but you let someone else make that choice for you.

Back to the original topic. Iran hasn’t attacked the US. It not right to bomb them on what they might do, just like it isn’t right to execute you because you might kill someone because you have a gun in your house.

[Broncojohnny]

Back to the original topic. Iran hasn’t attacked the US. It not right to bomb them on what they might do, just like it isn’t right to execute you because you might kill someone because you have a gun in your house.

You are right, they should be allowed to get a nuclear weapon. After they incinerate a couple million Jews, will it be ok to attack them then? Your views on foreign policy sound like they come from a 5th grader. Fact is, they signed a treaty, they are violating that treaty according to the IAEA, they just threatened an act of war in international waters this week. When would it be "ok to attack them" in your opinion? What else do you need?

[majorownage]

You are right, they should be allowed to get a nuclear weapon. After they incinerate a couple million Jews, will it be ok to attack them then? Your views on foreign policy sound like they come from a 5th grader. Fact is, they signed a treaty, they are violating that treaty according to the IAEA, they just threatened an act of war in international waters this week. When would it be "ok to attack them" in your opinion? What else do you need?

Lol you really think they will attack Israel?

N00b detected.

[Forever_frost]

They weren’t trying to kill you because you are the great Satan. You were standing there with a gun in your hands were you had no business being. Just as if there was someone standing on your street shooting people you would shoot back at them. Remember the US armed most of Iraq and Iran back in the 80’s. You can thank Reagan, Oly North and H W Bush for that. And you can thank Clinton in the 90’s for selling secrets to the Chinese which I’m sure found there ways into the hand of some of the other countries over there.

Think if you had listened to your gut when you talked to your pastor. You knew it wasn’t right to kill others but you let someone else make that choice for you.

Back to the original topic. Iran hasn’t attacked the US. It not right to bomb them on what they might do, just like it isn’t right to execute you because you might kill someone because you have a gun in your house.

Damn I love these discussions. I truly do.

If I had listened to my gut, I'd probably not have volunteered to go on the mission I did and someone would have died where I was shot. So in essence, I saved a life and put mine up instead. You can thank me for that later. (I seriously hope no one really believes I EVER want to be thanked for the things I did there.) I didn't kill a single person. I removed insurgents from the battlefield and protected civilians and my brothers in arms. Now, if you're trying to spin this as they are protecting their home from invaders you're wrong again.

From Huffington Post: o reinforce the message of concern about Iran, the U.S. military gave reporters a rare look at samples of what they described as improvised rockets and other devices that have been used to target Americans in Baghdad. Iranian influence in Iraq is a key issue – diplomatically as well as militarily – for Washington as it prepares to pull out its remaining 46,000 troops. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_894540.html

For the most part, the insurgents weren't Iraqi. They were from other areas in the middle east sent to fight us. Iraqis for the most part were cool as long as you made sure your stuff was tied down. We hit Iraq because their dictator was gassing his own people, because he had WMD's and had already proven he was willing to use unconventional weapons on people as he had done it in his own country. Want to try again?