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[cyclonescott]

The Second Klan saw threats from every direction. A religious tone was apparent in all of its activities; indeed, "two-thirds of the national Klan lecturers were Protestant ministers," says historian Brian R. Farmer
The second Klan adopted a burning Latin cross as its symbol. No such crosses had been used by the first Klan, but the burning cross was used as a symbol of intimidation by the second Klan.[94] The burning of the cross was also used by the second Klan as a symbol of Christian fellowship, and its lighting during meetings was steeped in Christian prayer, the singing of hymns, and other overtly religious symbolism.

Your right about Waco but thats not what I was talking about. There religious veiws were way outside the mainstream.

[Forever_frost]

No, as with most cults, their views were mainstream. It was just perverted by someone who thought he was God. The symbol of the cross used by the Klan was intended for intimidation, not as a religious symbol. Keep trying. I can work google as well as you can.

Islam is not a religion. It is a political ideology

[Gargamel]

The Second Klan saw threats from every direction. A religious tone was apparent in all of its activities; indeed, "two-thirds of the national Klan lecturers were Protestant ministers," says historian Brian R. Farmer
The second Klan adopted a burning Latin cross as its symbol. No such crosses had been used by the first Klan, but the burning cross was used as a symbol of intimidation by the second Klan.[94] The burning of the cross was also used by the second Klan as a symbol of Christian fellowship, and its lighting during meetings was steeped in Christian prayer, the singing of hymns, and other overtly religious symbolism.

Your right about Waco but thats not what I was talking about. There religious veiws were way outside the mainstream.

Ahh yes, a wiki scholar...

Mainstream Christianity and Catholicism decried the KKK even in its heydey... the second KKK preached racism, anti-Catholicism, nativism, and anti-Semitism, things that go against the basic tenets of Christianity.

To say that the KKK arose from Christian teachings and beliefs are uninformed at best.... the group took what Christian tenets suited them and used them.


Even if your argument held water, which it does not, the total number of people killed by the second clan and after totals just over 430 people of all races, a drop in the bucket compared to the ongoing crap committed by radical Islamic terrorism.

Considering the KKK is universally reviled in Christian circles, while islamic extremism is in many cases excused (if not outright endorsed) by even mainstream Muslim leaders, I don't see how your comparison is valid for recent history\present.

In other words, no one really worries about militant Christians bombing the local elementary school or forcing conversions at the end of an assault rifle.

[racrguy]

The Klan didn't kill in the name of God, they killed in the name of those that created them, the Democrats. Waco wouldn't have been an issue had he been arrested outside of the compound but the ATF wanted to show they had a big dick and make a statement. That's a government failure. Christians haven't killed in the name of Christ in centuries. Islam is currently killing in the name of Allah and Momo

It happening centuries ago doesn't make it 1)justified or 2) any more or less different than what islam is doing right now. Don't try to put your religion on a moral high ground when it is guilty of the same exact things.

[cyclonescott]

He didn't think he was god, he thought that he was the second coming of Christ.

Yes like it says in my post the cross was used as a form of intimidation but the people that were doing the killings were very religious Christians. So here we have Christians killing people that they thought were inferior or a threat to there lifestyle or of a different religious faith

[Forever_frost]

It happening centuries ago doesn't make it 1)justified or 2) any more or less different than what islam is doing right now. Don't try to put your religion on a moral high ground when it is guilty of the same exact things.

The moral high ground comes when people haven't been killed for Christianity in centuries. Or to give you some idea, we didn't have planes, cars, electricity and were still burning dung for heat. My religion IS on a moral high ground

[Forever_frost]

He didn't think he was god, he thought that he was the second coming of Christ.

Yes like it says in my post the cross was used as a form of intimidation but the people that were doing the killings were very religious Christians. So here we have Christians killing people that they thought were inferior or a threat to there lifestyle or of a different religious faith

No, had they been "Very religious Christians" they'd have followed the teachings of Christ. Which means that we aren't allowed to kill. They hid behind the mask and the cross to intimidate Republicans and blacks who would vote Republican to keep the democrats in power.

[cyclonescott]

I didn't say that the KKK rose from Christian teachings. I said the people involved were Christian extremist. Like you said they hand picked teaching to justify there needs. I would argue that there are militant Christians that have bombed, shot, hung, tortured and done many vile things to Muslims in the last ten years because " I was just following orders"

[cyclonescott]

So now we aren't allowed to kill? Go back and look at your post in this thread. You advocate killing quite a few times.

[Forever_frost]

Again, they weren't Christian extremists if they weren't adhering to the Bible which states we are to harm no one. Nice try at moral relativism.

Provide me proof of your accusation Scott. Where is the proof that Christians have shot, bombed, hung and tortured Muslims in the last 10 years because they were Muslims?

I advocate killing those who are trying to kill you. The translation of "shall not kill" is actually "shall not murder." You see, I sat down with a chaplain before I deployed because I had an issue with that.

[cyclonescott]

Again Frost Why are they trying to kill you? It is no different than somebody occupying our land. The people over in the Middle East didn't ask for Americans to come over there and start a war. I know if I felt my family and friends were at risk of being "murdered" by an invading army I would do whatever I had to so they were protected. There is plenty of evidence of our solider killing innocent people. You can call it collateral damage but I don’t think it is necessary. Just like the ATF with Waco the war on terror turned into a big dog and pony show that if it was really necessary could have been handled on a much smaller scale.

[Forever_frost]

They are trying to kill me because I am an infidel and from the Great Satan. Any other questions?

[racrguy]

The moral high ground comes when people haven't been killed for Christianity in centuries. Or to give you some idea, we didn't have planes, cars, electricity and were still burning dung for heat. My religion IS on a moral high ground

Hitler...... No it's not.

[Forever_frost]

Hitler...... No it's not.

I am going to assume you aren't calling me Hitler and are instead referring to Hitler who didn't kill Jews based on Christianity but rather due to a belief that the Jews were inferior and helped injure Germany after WW1. Care to try again Racr?

[Maddhattter]

I am going to assume you aren't calling me Hitler and are instead referring to Hitler who didn't kill Jews based on Christianity but rather due to a belief that the Jews were inferior and helped injure Germany after WW1. Care to try again Racr?

You mean where Hitler didn't state:

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

or...

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

Seriously, there is a plethora of quotes that show that Hitler disagrees with you in regards to his motivations, Frost.