Separation of Church and State in Constitution?

[davbrucas]

good job!!! now he's gonna make god hate you!

god bless.

Just like Santa hates me? Both are imaginary beings so I am not concerned.
Maybe he already sent a demon to possess me and make me crash my dirtbike?

[Nash B.]

No, that was just bad driving.

[davbrucas]

No, that was just bad driving.

Maybe so.

[The King]

Can we all at least agree that separation of Church and State is a good thing?

Look at places where they do not have a secular society.... you jealous?

Depends on the State. Iran is a good example of an Islamic republic gone wrong, North Korea on the other hand is completely secular and even more screwed up than Iran.

[jdgregory84]

Prove one time I've lied. Just once! I guarantee you can't do it.

I did..................................twice. One was a blatant lie. I'm not sure if the other was just out of ignorance or being misinformed.

EDIT: Here is my post from the other thread about your lying.

Lie #1 - stated that I said that life came from rain on rocks. You're still lying about it in the post above this one. Now you're just making stuff up as you go along, which seems to suit you just fine.

Lie #2 - stated that Hitler sent the Jews to America saying that if nobody took them, he was going to kill them. You state you can provide proof of this...yet you haven't. Good job. You blame science and the theory of evolution for the holocaust, when most christians say that anything scientist discover is God working through them...therefore IF the holocaust was a result of scientists wanting to speed up the evolutionary process...weren't they doing it through God? Or did the devil work his way in on that one?

Keep lying to others and yourself. Like I said, it seems to work for you. Even the other christians on this site are calling you out on your B.S.

[YALE]

It's inferred, not directly stated. It's elaborated in the federalist papers, though. Get those if you haven't read them.

[BrianC]

It's inferred, not directly stated. It's elaborated in the federalist papers, though. Get those if you haven't read them.

It is not inferred in the Federalist Papers. If you believe it is, by all means, find it and show it to me. I will not go on a wild goose chase when I know it's not there, but you made the claim so you go find it.

[BrianC]

I did..................................twice. One was a blatant lie. I'm not sure if the other was just out of ignorance or being misinformed.

EDIT: Here is my post from the other thread about your lying.

Blatant lie, eh? So because you're ignorant of something, you call me a liar. Where, here ya' go:

Arthur D. Morse, While 6 Million Died, p. 204
“The Germans responded to the U.S. refugee plan with contemp. Chancellor Hitler, never losing an opportunity to deflate democratic pretense, said in a speech at Konigsberg, ‘I can only hope and expect that the other world, which has such deep sympathy for these criminals, will at least be generous enough to convery this sympathy to practical aid. We, on our part, are ready to put all these criminals at the disposal of these countries, for all I care, even on luxury ships.’ [1938] On April 13, [1938] President Roosevelt met at the White House with Protestant, Catholic and Jewish leaders to discuss the new international effort. The delegation included former High Commissioner James G. McDonald, who would become chairman of the President’s Advisory Group on Political Refugees.”

Arthur D. Morse, While 6 Million Died (same book as above)
Tells the story of how 900+ Jews were put in a ship and sent first to Cuba, who refused to take them, and then went up the entire eastern coast of the U.S. trying to find a state who would take them. Roosevelt and all the eastern seaboard states refused to take them. Sweden finally decided to take them.

I'm sure Amazon has the book cheap if you'd like to read it - it's probably interesting.

[BrianC]

But you do it to get an opposition's side to debate you. I'm not sure if it is a personality disorder, rather than insecurity crying out through your posts. Do you debate with yourself in your head like this?

You see, there is a difference between posting up information or your personal point of view for informational purposes and just posting up thread after thread asking people what their take is on a subject so you can pounce on the first response you get.

You're judging my intent, and incorrectly so. My first and foremost reason for posting here is to start discussion on things most people are not aware of. Secondly, it is to inform Christians of things which they are likely unaware. Third, it is to inform Atheists of things they which they are likely unaware in the hope that they will actually get interested in some topic or information posted and go research it for themselves. The ancient technology is one that is very interesting and people, regardless of beliefs, see things like that and say, "Hey, that's interesting. I'd like to know more about that." And if they do so, they may question how mankind can be so advanced back then, and question how that doesn't make sense with evolution. Or they could come up with other reasons it could work in evolution's favor. Doesn't matter to me. The point is to get them better informed so they are at least better equipped to debate creationists. I get tired of explaining things to evolutionists simply because they have never researched creation or the evidences they use for their model and how they interpret those things. I'm constantly debating people who are completely ignorant of creation because they've never actually tried to honestly study it in its entirety to learn the full theory.

The fact that they get upset and go off on me first is their problem, not mine. The part that is my fault is joining in on it. And if you want the honest truth, I FAR prefer civil debate over the back and forth insults. I really can't stand it. That is a major reason I get fed up with it and stop posting for a long time. If the debates were civil, I would stay a lot longer and discuss the stuff with them. You 100% incorrectly judged me on this matter.

[BrianC]

Can we all at least agree that separation of Church and State is a good thing?

Look at places where they do not have a secular society.... you jealous?

LOL Jealous?? Communist Russia has a secular society. Clearly, I'm not jealous of them. I'd hate to live there. China has a secular government and believes heavily in evolution. You couldn't pay me to live there, because the penalty for teaching Christianity there is death, which is why there is a Christian underground. And were I secular, no way I'd want to live in China. It's not a very pleasant place to live. My wife grew up in Taiwan, where they have a democratic republic similar to ours and love Americans, and it still was not exactly pleasant from what she tells me. She had some very scary experiences there growing up, and China is far far worse since they hate Christianity. They won't even let you have more than one female child. Jealous?

No, separation of church and state is not a good thing at all. Keeping Christian morals in the government is a good thing, because the morals are sound. Keeping the government from creating their own church is great, because we don't want another Church of England incident, but that's 1st amendment, not separation of church and state.

The churches used to handle education before the government did, actually. They did a good job of it too. But then again, it was much easier to do a good job back then, because they did not have nearly as much to teach. Today, we have far more to teach which makes it more difficult to learn. When churches were teaching, kids could graduate and be in college by age 12. Some were said to have graudated at age 9 and had college degrees by age 12. Very smart kids back then. But again, they didn't have as much to learn, so it was easier to teach it all.