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[mstng86]

Your statement quite literally said that all young people are socialistic and that the older citizens are absolved of all responsibility for such movements.

Ron Paul has the youth vote. Ron Paul is the the most small-government focused candidate in the race. Ergo, there's a giant contradiction with your statement.

I was referring to you being right about the saviness of the Ron Paul youth, not what they stand for.

No where did I absolve the older citizens of any of their actions. I only stated there is obviously a movement of socialism of some sort in our youth. At least that is what the media wants us to see.

[Slowhand]

Who is wiping clean the slate of the old guard?

I am just saying if America's youth is leaning toward a "do it all government", then we are all fucked if they do go out and vote.

You are right about Paul's youth though.

Your statement quite literally said that all young people are socialistic and that the older citizens are absolved of all responsibility for such movements.

Ron Paul has the youth vote. Ron Paul is the the most small-government focused candidate in the race. Ergo, there's a giant contradiction with your statement.

[CJ]

You present yourself as a student of history, so, read this?

http://thetartan.org/2008/11/10/news/elections

It throws out historical numbers on how obsama DID win the youth vote. Second highest number of youth votes ever counted, actually. Per the article the highest number ever counted was in '72, which was the first year that an 18 year old could vote. I wonder, had they had been able to vote in, say, '68, would that still hold true or would the highest ever number be in '68?

You're arguing a point I'm not even discussing. I'm saying the turnout is substantially less, not their possible benefit.

[CJ]

If I understand history correctly, obsama was voted in by the youth vote. That is, at least, how the media has portrayed it. You, as a student of history, understand that point well. No? Is it not possible that the youth vote swings two successive votes?

I'm sure the youth vote was higher for Obama than what is usual, however what I'm saying is the projected numbers and the actual votes are going to be substantially less. One of the primary reasons Obama was elected was the black vote. 96% of African Americans vote for democrats, and something like 40-50% turned out for the general election, which makes up about 18% of the population. That's enough to get anyone elected.

[mikec]

I am giving an example of what can happen when you are heavily vested in the youth vote. Remember the democrat's attempt with "Get out the vote" and P Diddy's "Vote or Die" etc.. etc.. BS. They never showed up to the polls.

2008 they were not heavily vested in the youth vote, nor did they need to be.

You present yourself as a student of history, so, read this?

http://thetartan.org/2008/11/10/news/elections

It throws out historical numbers on how obsama DID win the youth vote. Second highest number of youth votes ever counted, actually. Per the article the highest number ever counted was in '72, which was the first year that an 18 year old could vote. I wonder, had they had been able to vote in, say, '68, would that still hold true or would the highest ever number be in '68?

[mstng86]

That's quite a wide blanket to cast over an entire demographic while completely wiping clean the slate of another.

Who is wiping clean the slate of the old guard?

I am just saying if America's youth is leaning toward a "do it all government", then we are all fucked if they do go out and vote.

You are right about Paul's youth though.

[CJ]

But it can swing the other way quite violently. I think the biggest difference between the youths that Paul attracts and the youths that Obama and the left have tended to attract is that Paul's supporters are far more politically active and savvy than the left's.

I would agree they are more savvy than the left for sure. I'm simply saying the youth vote is the most volatile, and has the least turnout historically than any other segment of voters.

[Slowhand]

At least the "old" views aren't slanted into some socialistic ideology of sharing the wealth.

That's quite a wide blanket to cast over an entire demographic while completely wiping clean the slate of another.

[mikec]

My point is Ron Paul's vote is HIGHLY weighted towards youth. Youth is statistically the hardest to get turnout from. It is the risk you take vesting in it. So, the Paul campaign should expect their polling is roughly 20-30% over inflated.

If I understand history correctly, obsama was voted in by the youth vote. That is, at least, how the media has portrayed it. You, as a student of history, understand that point well. No? Is it not possible that the youth vote swings two successive votes?

[mstng86]

lol, where have the "wise" and old gotten us?

At least the "old" views aren't slanted into some socialistic ideology of sharing the wealth.

[Slowhand]

And look where that got us.

Honestly, I am really afraid the youth of america will show up and screw up this election.

lol, where have the "wise" and old gotten us?

[Slowhand]

I am giving an example of what can happen when you are heavily vested in the youth vote. Remember the democrat's attempt with "Get out the vote" and P Diddy's "Vote or Die" etc.. etc.. BS. They never showed up to the polls.

But it can swing the other way quite violently. I think the biggest difference between the youths that Paul attracts and the youths that Obama and the left have tended to attract is that Paul's supporters are far more politically active and savvy than the left's.

[mstng86]

I get what you're saying, but wasn't Obama's election highly weighted towards the youth vote?

And look where that got us.

Honestly, I am really afraid the youth of america will show up and screw up this election.

[CJ]

And yet the youth takes the blame/credit/whatever you want to call it for the 2008 election?

I am giving an example of what can happen when you are heavily vested in the youth vote. Remember the democrat's attempt with "Get out the vote" and P Diddy's "Vote or Die" etc.. etc.. BS. They never showed up to the polls.

2008 they were not heavily vested in the youth vote, nor did they need to be.

[bcoop]

My point is Ron Paul's vote is HIGHLY weighted towards youth. Youth is statistically the hardest to get turnout from. It is the risk you take vesting in it. So, the Paul campaign should expect their polling is roughly 20-30% over inflated.

I get what you're saying, but wasn't Obama's election highly weighted towards the youth vote?