The NDAA bill is now a law

[roliath]

No, this gives the government the ability to detain US citizens without trial based on what they determine may be terroristic in nature.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/31/statement-president-hr-1540

Section 1021 affirms the executive branch's authority to detain persons covered by the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note). This section breaks no new ground and is unnecessary. The authority it describes was included in the 2001 AUMF, as recognized by the Supreme Court and confirmed through lower court decisions since then. Two critical limitations in section 1021 confirm that it solely codifies established authorities. First, under section 1021(d), the bill does not "limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force." Second, under section 1021(e), the bill may not be construed to affect any "existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States." My Administration strongly supported the inclusion of these limitations in order to make clear beyond doubt that the legislation does nothing more than confirm authorities that the Federal courts have recognized as lawful under the 2001 AUMF. Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation. My Administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law.

I just saw that this morning.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

"...my administration will interpret and implement...". Scary stuff, right there.

Kinda what I was thinking. There is no need for them to interpret the constitution, its very clear. That's not what he was talking about, but that should be the response he gets.

[BERNIE MOSFET]

The US doesn't need to worry about sanctions against Iran's nuclear program. The Israeli/Saudi alliance has/will take care of that if it does get out of hand. Trust me, Israel and Saudi pretty much have it taken care of; they have an agreement in place where the Saudis (who fucking hate Israel and all Jews) will allow the Israelis to use Saudi airspace to bomb the fuck out of Iranian nuclear sites. The Saudi Defense Forces have agreed to stand down all defenses and let Israel pass over undeterred. When you are Muslim, a the Israelis and Saudis have teamed up to kick your ass, you know you are fucked. You don't get much more fucked than a Muslim nation who is hated by and alliance of Muslims and Jews who are both backed with US technology. Iran is pretty well taken care of, in my opinion.

Sunni and Shi'a Muslims don't exactly get along to begin with, so it shouldn't be a surprise that Saudi would allow this. A Palestinian acquaintence of mine once summed up Sunni sentiment nicely with: "fuck Iran", despite mutual interest in getting rid of Israel.

A classic case of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'?

[majorownage]

No, this gives the government the ability to detain US citizens without trial based on what they determine may be terroristic in nature.

Very wrong. The Patriot Act did this. NOW, they can grab you whenever they want.

[mikec]

Very wrong. The Patriot Act did this. NOW, they can grab you whenever they want.

Guess they'll be doing lot's and lot's of grabs when people aren't at home...

[SMEGMA STENCH]

You know what kills lots of people without you having to be present to take any risk? Traps. Just sayin...

[BlackSnake]

This shit they've been doing reminds me a little of NAZI Germany when they were slowly handing all power over to Hitler. Our Congress seems to be doing that quite a bit slower, but it still feels like that is what is happening. And as bad as this law is, I know it won't be the worst they come up with. There will be something even worse proposed in a few months that will make this one look as "harmless" as the partriot act in comparison. Fuck, it's gotten to the point that the patriot act looks harmless in comparison; that there is enough to scare you.

It does kind of have that effect on ya, doesnt it?

Not so sure I like this at all. Starts tomorrow, March 1st.

[mikec]

so this bill would allow the govt/military to detain anyone they feel is a terrorist indefinately even if are a US citizen? I do support the sanctions against Iran's nuclear program. Too much gov't isn't a good thing though and this seems to be the way we are heading.

Fixed for ya. I've got a lot to say about this and I'll start with...



Shit, some guys in suits knocking at the door. BRB...


Tomorrow! Wonder who disappears first?