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  • Are you ready for some possible ethnic cleaning in Iraq?

    Backed by the United States, of course.

    BAGHDAD — The Obama administration is moving ahead with the sale of nearly $11 billion worth of arms and training for the Iraqi military despite concerns that Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki is seeking to consolidate authority, create a one-party Shiite-dominated state and abandon the American-backed power-sharing government.

    The military aid, including advanced fighter jets and battle tanks, is meant to help the Iraqi government protect its borders and rebuild a military that before the 1991 Persian Gulf war was one of the largest in the world; it was disbanded in 2003 after the United States invasion.

    But the sales of the weapons — some of which have already been delivered — are moving ahead even though Mr. Maliki has failed to carry out an agreement that would have limited his ability to marginalize the Sunnis and turn the military into a sectarian force. While the United States is eager to beef up Iraq’s military, at least in part as a hedge against Iranian influence, there are also fears that the move could backfire if the Baghdad government ultimately aligns more closely with the Shiite theocracy in Tehran than with Washington.

    United States diplomats, including Ambassador James F. Jeffrey, have expressed concern about the military relationship with Iraq. Some have even said it could have political ramifications for the Obama administration if not properly managed. There is also growing concern that Mr. Maliki’s apparent efforts to marginalize the country’s Sunni minority could set off a civil war.

    “The optics of this are terrible,” said Kenneth M. Pollack, an expert on national security issues at the Brookings Institution in Washington and a critic of the administration’s Iraq policy.

    The program to arm the military is being led by the United States Embassy here, which through its Office of Security Cooperation serves as a broker between the Iraqi government and defense contractors like Lockheed Martin and Raytheon. Among the big-ticket items being sold to Iraq are F-16 fighter jets, M1A1 Abrams main battle tanks, cannons and armored personnel carriers. The Iraqis have also received body armor, helmets, ammunition trailers and sport utility vehicles, which critics say can be used by domestic security services to help Mr. Maliki consolidate power.

    “The purpose of these arrangements is to assist the Iraqis’ ability to defend their sovereignty against foreign security threats,” said Capt. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman in Washington.

    But Iraqi politicians and analysts, while acknowledging that the American military withdrawal had left Iraq’s borders, and airspace, vulnerable, said there were many reasons for concern.

    Despite pronouncements from American and Iraqi officials that the Iraqi military is a nonsectarian force, they said, it had evolved into a hodgepodge of Shiite militias more interested in marginalizing the Sunnis than in protecting the country’s sovereignty. Across the country, they said, Shiite flags — not Iraq’s national flag — fluttered from tanks and military vehicles, evidence, many said, of the troops’ sectarian allegiances.

    “It is very risky to arm a sectarian army,” said Rafe al-Essawi, the country’s finance minister and a leading Sunni politician. “It is very risky with all the sacrifices we’ve made, with all the budget to be spent, with all the support of America — at the end of the day, the result will be a formal militia army.”

    Mr. Essawi said that he was concerned about how the weapons would be used if political tension led to a renewed tide of sectarian violence. Some Iraqis and analysts said they believed that the weapons could give Mr. Maliki a significant advantage in preventing several Sunni provinces from declaring autonomy from the central government.

    “Washington took the decision to build up Iraq as a counterweight to Iran through close military cooperation and the sale of major weapon systems,” said Joost Hiltermann, the International Crisis Group’s deputy program director for the Middle East. “Maliki has shown a troubling inclination toward enhancing his control over the country’s institutions without accepting any significant checks and balances.”
    Read more at: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/wo...erns.html?_r=1

  • #2
    Cleaning or cleansing?

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    • #3
      Isn't this what we did with Iran in the 80s, and look how good that turned out.

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      • #4
        Ron Paul does not approve.
        Originally posted by Broncojohnny
        HOORAY ME and FUCK YOU!

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        • #5
          One of my clients is a Indian Hindu. His is in his late 80s and looks to be 50, and he is huge (6'5") which is odd for an Indian. He HATES muslims and has fought in 2 wars against them in the India vs Pakistan thing. He will tell you that the only good muslims are dead ones, and I believe that he is right. Let them kill each other because it will keep us from having to spill our own blood to do it.
          Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by svo855 View Post
            One of my clients is a Indian Hindu. His is in his late 80s and looks to be 50, and he is huge (6'5") which is odd for an Indian. He HATES muslims and has fought in 2 wars against them in the India vs Pakistan thing. He will tell you that the only good muslims are dead ones, and I believe that he is right. Let them kill each other because it will keep us from having to spill our own blood to do it.
            I agree...just let the fighting start after next Xmas, i need a few more dollars to finish that damn SVO lol

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            • #7
              I'm out, so let em at each other! LOL

              Now they want me in Afghan for thirty days and Kuwait for another twenty on some environmental audits.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Justa4Banger View Post
                I agree...just let the fighting start after next Xmas, i need a few more dollars to finish that damn SVO lol

                Finish an SVO??? Never heard of such a thing. What are you smoking?
                Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mstng86 View Post
                  Cleaning or cleansing?
                  Cleansing, not sure how I missed the "s."

                  I'm all for them killing each other, I just don't want to be a part of it, let them get their weapons elsewhere. Like they're going to pay the bill when we hand it to them. lolz

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mstng86 View Post
                    Cleaning or cleansing?
                    Haha what an idiot.

                    But yeah, whatever. I mean we shouldn't have any part of it, but if those people want to do their own ethnic cleansing I'm cool with it. Its whatever.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Denny View Post
                      I'm out, so let em at each other! LOL

                      Now they want me in Afghan for thirty days and Kuwait for another twenty on some environmental audits.
                      Denny, my fil goes back to Kuwait on the 10th then on to Afganistan. Or however you spell it.....be safe if you go back. Those idiots in the mountains seem to be worse than the idiots in the cities...

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                      • #12
                        It's good to know the things my brothers died for and we all sacrificed for is wiped away by Obama so quickly
                        I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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                        • #13
                          This nation building stuff is hard work. No worries though because our military is ready/willing to go back in and play policeman again for another 8-9yrs. when things get too out of hand.

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                          • #14
                            LMFAO, waste of fucking time.

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                            • #15
                              It doesn't matter whether we give them the tools or not, it's going to happen.

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