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  • From the dark abyss of Congressional madness... a tiny ray of light.

    Congress killed the Ethanol subsidy just before the break....




    Washington —The United States has ended a 30-year tax subsidy for corn-based ethanol that cost taxpayers $6 billion annually, and ended a tariff on imported Brazilian ethanol.

    Congress adjourned for the year on Friday, failing to extend the tax break that's drawn a wide variety of critics on Capitol Hill, including Sens. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., and Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. Critics also have included environmentalists, frozen food producers, ranchers and others.

    The policies have helped shift millions of tons of corn from feedlots, dinner tables and other products into gas tanks.

    Environmental group Friends of the Earth praised the move.

    "The end of this giant subsidy for dirty corn ethanol is a win for taxpayers, the environment and people struggling to put food on their tables," biofuels policy campaigner Michal Rosenoer said Friday.

    The subsidy has provided the oil and agribusiness industries with 45 cents per gallon of ethanol blended into gasoline. By some estimates, Congress has awarded $45 billion in subsidies to the ethanol industry since 1980.

    Tom Buis, CEO of Growth Energy, an ethanol trade group, said earlier this month the industry would survive without the credit.

    "The blenders' tax credit initially helped the ethanol industry develop. But today, we don't have a production problem, we have a market access problem," Buis said.

    "Without the tax credit, the ethanol industry will survive; it will continue to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, create jobs and strengthen our economy."

    Ethanol supporters are worried Congress might roll back a 2007 mandate that dramatically boosts the use of ethanol annually through 2022. The mandate jumps from 15 billion gallons of renewable fuels — including cellulosic ethanol in 2015 — to 36 billion gallons by 2022.

    The corn lobby has lost clout this year, losing votes in Congress. The Senate voted 73-27 in June to end the ethanol tax subsidy and tariff.

    But Michigan Democrats Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow were among the 27 senators who voted against ending the subsidy.

    Michigan is the nation's 11th-largest corn producer, harvesting 315 million bushels in 2010. The state has more than 11,000 corn growers, and they planted corn on 2.45 million acres last year, or about 4 percent of all land in the state.

    Earlier in December, a bipartisan group of more than 70 House members urged a congressional block on higher levels of ethanol blended into gasoline.

    Automakers and other engine makers have clashed with corn growers since 2010 over whether the United States should allow the use of a new blend of ethanol called E15 because it is 15 percent biofuel. The Environmental Protection Agency has approved the use in all vehicles from 2001 and after.

    In August, the EPA approved fuel labels designed to warn drivers of older vehicles not to use the fuel, but it still must be registered before the fuel can go on sale. In February, the House voted 285-136 to block the EPA from moving ahead with E15 regulations.

    "E15 is not ready for prime time," said the letter signed by Reps. Gary Peters, D-Bloomfield Township; Mike Rogers, R-Brighton; John Conyers, D-Detroit; Tim Walberg, R-Tipton; Bill Huizenga, R-Zeeland; Darrell Issa, R-Calif.; and Loretta Sanchez, D-Calif., among others.

    Automakers and other groups have opposed approval of E15, warning it could damage engines in some models. Automakers "unanimously expressed concerns that E15 is likely to harm engines, void warranties and reduce fuel efficiency," said the congressional letter.

  • #2
    They damn sure better not approve E15. If they do, that's all my town will have.
    ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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    • #3
      This would actually bring down fuel prices, has Obama whipped out his veto pen yet?

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      • #4
        ethanol is a joke not a good fuel at all. natty is a better choice and it wont boost the price of food. chilled to -260 natty is a liquid with a very nice octane rating of 130.
        Last edited by Captain Crawfish; 12-24-2011, 09:47 AM.

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        • #5
          Wow....I'm really surprised. I hope it sticks as this has the potential to drop food prices at a pretty healthy clip.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sean88gt View Post
            Wow....I'm really surprised. I hope it sticks as this has the potential to drop food prices at a pretty healthy clip.
            I wouldnt expect too much of a drop. Fuel costs are still going to be high due to geopolitical uncertainty from Iran. They are starting Navy war games for 10 days in and around the straight of Hormuz. This is a 4 mile wide oil shipping channel southwest of iran. Any indication of mines being placed in this area will prevent ships from entering the area due to insurance reasons. Should make for an interesting year in 2012 I dont see the sanctions against Iran doing much good so theres only one other choice to stop the nuke programs.

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            • #7
              hopefully this will kick the ethanol shit ass gas out of the pumps. I have to run ethanol treatment in my boat and bikes the way it is now

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              • #8
                Must have been some cheap lobbyists

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                • #9
                  I wouldn't be surprised to see Congress pulling out of our asses just long enough to stuff it back into our faces.
                  Men have become the tools of their tools.
                  -Henry David Thoreau

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                  • #10
                    It was a great move with even better intentions, but from what I've heard, it won't kill ethanol in our gas, but allow us to import it cheaper.

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                    • #11
                      Yes, it doesn't kill the Congressional mandate on Ethanol, but in the long term it could spell the end of Corn based ethanol since sugar based ethanol from Brazil can now be imported to the US without any tariff. Before there was a 50cent per gallon tariff on it.

                      Sugar based ethanol makes a helluva lot more sense than corn based. The energy return is MUCH higher.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sgt Beavis View Post
                        Yes, it doesn't kill the Congressional mandate on Ethanol, but in the long term it could spell the end of Corn based ethanol since sugar based ethanol from Brazil can now be imported to the US without any tariff. Before there was a 50cent per gallon tariff on it.

                        Sugar based ethanol makes a helluva lot more sense than corn based. The energy return is MUCH higher.
                        Interestingly enough, it may be the stake in the heart of ethanol being blended in our gas. Who wants to import another product for us to burn in our cars? Now that it's not profitable for our own people to grow corn for fuel, more of it will go into feed for our beef, and consequently into our stomachs where it belongs in the first place. It's been a governmental circle-jerk...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Vertnut View Post
                          Interestingly enough, it may be the stake in the heart of ethanol being blended in our gas. Who wants to import another product for us to burn in our cars? Now that it's not profitable for our own people to grow corn for fuel, more of it will go into feed for our beef, and consequently into our stomachs where it belongs in the first place. It's been a governmental circle-jerk...
                          yea, and unfortunately the Ethanol mandate is still there. Fortunately the E15 part appears to be dead (though not completely).

                          IMO Ethanol just isn't the answer. There are better ways to spend that money for future transportation needs (or perhaps not spent at all)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sgt Beavis View Post
                            yea, and unfortunately the Ethanol mandate is still there. Fortunately the E15 part appears to be dead (though not completely).

                            IMO Ethanol just isn't the answer. There are better ways to spend that money for future transportation needs (or perhaps not spent at all)
                            let the private sector run its course. may the best and cheapest resource win.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by QIK46 View Post
                              let the private sector run its course. may the best and cheapest resource win.
                              Exactly what i was thinking when i read this thread. The market can and will decide winners and losers. And like others have said it should shift some amount of corn production away from ethanol and back to food again, and it should shift some farmland away from growing corn and back into other crops, which is a good thing.

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