Getting tired of Ron Paul

[CJ]

Here's a little article about those alleged Iran statements. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ended-launch-/
Let's see your proof of Iran saying they want to "wipe them off the face of the earth" since you've said they've said this "countless times."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel

Use wikipedia.

At a gathering of foreign guests marking the 19th anniversary of the death of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in 2008, Ahmadinejad said:

"You should know that the criminal and terrorist Zionist regime which has 60 years of plundering, aggression and crimes in its file has reached the end of its work and will soon disappear off the geographical scene."[24]

The Iranian presidential website states: that "the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a deadend and will under God's grace be wiped off the map," and "the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map."

[teal93derp]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud...jad_and_Israel

Use wikipedia.

Wikipedia is shit.

[CJ]

Wikipedia is shit.

Moving on... Do you have anything to add to the discussion?

[Hobie]

FNC is ruining/dividing the Republican party with misleading propaganda.

The base is brainwashed.

Obama should be completely unelectable at this point, but FNC spews enough bullshit and misinformation trying to further their own agenda resulting in crippling the GOP. If Obama wins I blame FNC.

It really feels like we're fucked. I hope I'm wrong.

[CJ]

FNC is ruining/dividing the Republican party with misleading propaganda.

The base is brainwashed.

Obama should be completely unelectable at this point, but FNC spews enough bullshit and misinformation trying to further their own agenda resulting in crippling the GOP. If Obama wins I blame FNC.

It really feels like we're fucked. I hope I'm wrong.

You blame Fox News if Obama wins? If there is one base that isn't brainwashed, it's gonna be the right. There isn't even a comparison on the open minded discussion between candidates within the party when you compare republicans to the democrats. The open mindedness of the right is one of the major problems they've always had - destruction within. Take Perot for instance. I personally don't even care for "Republicans." I'm interested in a candidate that has the fiscal and constitutionality of Ron Paul, and the foreign policy of Newt. The last fucking thing I want is a typical Republican.

[teal93derp]

Here's a good one called who are the real Isolationist? It's from the dailypaul. http://www.dailypaul.com/190888/who-...l-isolationist


It seems to me that the most common objection from rank and file republicans to Ron Paul is his foreign policy. The neoCons and especially the talk radio cons have been effective at describing Ron Paul as an isolationist and like it or not it has stuck.

But really, when you look at it, it is the neoCons who are isolationist. All of the neoCons and the republican establishment endorse tougher sanctions on Iran. The purpose of sanctions is to isolate! Ron Paul does not support sanctions on Iran, Ron Paul advocates diplomacy.

Diplomacy means talking to the adversary in hopes of finding areas of mutual interest so that war can be avoided. It is the main purpose of a politician to avoid war by using diplomacy. War is never in anyone's best interest because there are no winners other than those that profit from war. So, I would make the argument that those that favor sanctions over diplomacy are the isolationist.

I hope that the campaign addresses this issue and soon because it is not going to go away on it's own. If the campaign will explain this to the rank and file we can win many of them over, and they need to, because at some point we do have to get an appreciable number of those mainstream republicans to understand Ron's foreign policy and the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism.

[CJ]

It seems to me that the most common objection from rank and file republicans to Ron Paul is his foreign policy. The neoCons and especially the talk radio cons have been effective at describing Ron Paul as an isolationist and like it or not it has stuck.

But really, when you look at it, it is the neoCons who are isolationist. All of the neoCons and the republican establishment endorse tougher sanctions on Iran. The purpose of sanctions is to isolate! Ron Paul does not support sanctions on Iran, Ron Paul advocates diplomacy.

I really am sick and tired of the term "neo-cons." Here's why: Ron Paul isn't getting the nomination. Then what? Who are you going to vote for? Let's get real here. You're in the mix also, if you only quote Ron Paul websites, and only get your information from Ron Paul affiliates, how exactly are you going to make an informed decision when it comes time to vote for a candidate? One thing I really have a loss of respect for is Ron Paul nut huggers (I'm not saying you are). But, as a general consensus Ron Paul supporters believe only their candidate is right, and all other candidates are abosutely positively wrong in every fashion. And they seek to destroy all other candidates. And, inevitably their candidate doesn't get the nomination and then what? Do they even show up to vote for anyone? They work to destroy the chances of the republican nomination, and in the end I'm convinced they work against the common good. Just look at this thread, I have what - 5-10 ron paul supporters castigating me, when in fact we agree on about 95% of all our politics. In the end we're all voting on the same candidate - which RP supporters seem to forget.

As far as your isolationist comment, I think you fundamentally don't understand what the term actually means. Isolationism is essentially the lack or, or intention of not intervening in any other countries politics, economy, or government. Saying sanctions is isolationist makes no sense, seeing as sanctions are the antithesis of isolationism.

[Lason]

....... I will ENTHUSIASTICALLY drive my happy ass to the voting booth and pull that "straight republican" lever.

I just saw this part. This, I belive, is the reason this country is as screwed up as we are. Everyone is only worried about that little letter next to the canidates name.

[teal93derp]

I really am sick and tired of the term "neo-cons." Here's why: Ron Paul isn't getting the nomination. Then what? Who are you going to vote for? Let's get real here. You're in the mix also, if you only quote Ron Paul websites, and only get your information from Ron Paul affiliates, how exactly are you going to make an informed decision when it comes time to vote for a candidate? One thing I really have a loss of respect for is Ron Paul nut huggers (I'm not saying you are). But, as a general consensus Ron Paul supporters believe only their candidate is right, and all other candidates are abosutely positively wrong in every fashion. And they seek to destroy all other candidates. And, inevitably their candidate doesn't get the nomination and then what? Do they even show up to vote for anyone? They work to destroy the chances of the republican nomination, and in the end I'm convinced they work against the common good. Just look at this thread, I have what - 5-10 ron paul supporters castigating me, when in fact we agree on about 95% of all our politics. In the end we're all voting on the same candidate - which RP supporters seem to forget.

As far as your isolationist comment, I think you fundamentally don't understand what the term actually means. Isolationism is essentially the lack or, or intention of not intervening in any other countries politics, economy, or government. Saying sanctions is isolationist makes no sense, seeing as sanctions are the antithesis of isolationism.

You assume way to much and lump all RP supporters into the same group with some of your statements. I don't get my information from only Ron Paul affiliates or websites. I look at all news from every side and all over the place. I'm 43 years old. I've seen how our joke of a political system and media work for quite some time now. To me it's a no brainer. Ron Paul represents the American people leaps and bounds above any other candidate up there. His actions and impeccable voting record tell the tale of the man.

I understand what Isolationism is. The reason I posted that link to the dailypaul was to show there are different ways to interpret his views on foreign policy. I don't agree with the Isolationist label he's received, it's just a talking point used to discredit him.

[matts5.0]

You're right, I'm the reason Ron Paul won't get elected.

No, it's because the majority of Americans know you can't let a psychotic nation like Iran go completely unwatched. The French and Polish governments said many of the same things Ron Paul advocates if history means anything to you. I don't want to be the world police. I think it's absurd we waste billions on countries which for all intents and purposes are in the stone age. Many of the countries we send our money to are our enemies. However, some of those countries are a liability too high to be ignored. Remember, on September 11, 2001 we were not at war with anyone, and we should have (finished the job on Bin Laden and the Taliban). Instead, Clinton took the Ron Paul approach, and decided to appease, fired a few tomahawks and called it a day.

if you think ron paul is against having sound intelligence and fighting and winning a congressionaly approved war then your wrong. do your research, it seems as if you havent and you just plain dont like ron paul.
what is sad is that 75%(probably more) of americans wont and will vote for who ever the television tells them to.

[CJ]

You assume way to much and lump all RP supporters into the same group with some of your statements. I don't get my information from only Ron Paul affiliates or websites. I look at all news from every side and all over the place. I'm 43 years old. I've seen how our joke of a political system and media work for quite some time now. To me it's a no brainer. Ron Paul represents the American people leaps and bounds above any other candidate up there. His actions and impeccable voting record tell the tale of the man.

I understand what Isolationism is. The reason I posted that link to the dailypaul was to show there are different ways to interpret his views on foreign policy. I don't agree with the Isolationist label he's received, it's just a talking point used to discredit him.

The reason I do that is because overwhelmingly they are a substantially different community compared to other right wing candidates. I theorize the primary reason is Ron Paul's libertarian ideals are quite sympathetic to many different persuasions. He attracts greater percentages of the marijuana crowd, the anti-war crowd, gay/lesbian crowd, isolationists, etc. And because their primary focus is a very specific one, the vast majority of their politics statistically polarizes against the right. I've personally found many of the supporters to be less than average on historical political knowledge seeing as they jumped on the band wagon for a number of previous persuasions. He is really one of the only candidates proposing much of what they want to hear.

[The King]

I just saw this part. This, I belive, is the reason this country is as screwed up as we are. Everyone is only worried about that little letter next to the canidates name.

Everyone????

I admittedly lean toward Republicans in the Presidential elections because the last Democratic candidate I found to be worth voting for since the 1970's was Bill Clinton.

[Woods Racing Transmission]

I really am sick and tired of the term "neo-cons." Here's why: Ron Paul isn't getting the nomination. Then what? Who are you going to vote for? Let's get real here. You're in the mix also, if you only quote Ron Paul websites, and only get your information from Ron Paul affiliates, how exactly are you going to make an informed decision when it comes time to vote for a candidate? One thing I really have a loss of respect for is Ron Paul nut huggers (I'm not saying you are). But, as a general consensus Ron Paul supporters believe only their candidate is right, and all other candidates are abosutely positively wrong in every fashion. And they seek to destroy all other candidates. And, inevitably their candidate doesn't get the nomination and then what? Do they even show up to vote for anyone? They work to destroy the chances of the republican nomination, and in the end I'm convinced they work against the common good. Just look at this thread, I have what - 5-10 ron paul supporters castigating me, when in fact we agree on about 95% of all our politics. In the end we're all voting on the same candidate - which RP supporters seem to forget.

As far as your isolationist comment, I think you fundamentally don't understand what the term actually means. Isolationism is essentially the lack or, or intention of not intervening in any other countries politics, economy, or government. Saying sanctions is isolationist makes no sense, seeing as sanctions are the antithesis of isolationism.

That is about the best description of 90% of Ron Paul supporters. I like a-lot of his ideas. My problem is "him" and the more he talks the more he comes across as being bat-shit crazy. I have made my wife watch him a few times just to get a diff. prospective and every-time she says he starts out good but by the end shes wondering when the orderly will arrive to take him back to the loony bin. Another problem I have is everyone says hes an outsider and not in with the "Washington" crowd, come on people he is a CAREER politician just like the rest of them. He just votes NO instead of present.

[Lason]

And CJ, while I agree with alot of what your saying about how we need to be involved with crap happening over the pond for our own security, try to understand what RP has been saying. Like that vid JW posted up, alot of the reason all these groups hate us is because we are over there in their buisness. How would you feel if there were russian troops on our soil walking our streets in uniform with bases here.

[CJ]

if you think ron paul is against having sound intelligence and fighting and winning a congressionaly approved war then your wrong. do your research, it seems as if you havent and you just plain dont like ron paul.
what is sad is that 75%(probably more) of americans wont and will vote for who ever the television tells them to.

I never said he was against that. I said he is an isolationist. I believe Ron Paul will do exactly what he says he will. I would vote for him in a second because I know he would fix our fiscal problem. Foreign policy is the problem. However, because of this I believe he would be very slow to propose military action, to the point of being negligent. I feel his Isolationist ideals would cloud his judgements. I feel he's far more attune to turn face, and I feel he would fail to act because of how focused he is on non-intervention. Democrats will vote for who they are told. The right I feel is considerably more open minded. I watch FNC regularly, and I can tell when I'm being fed propaganda or unsubstantiated information. If I could pick my favorite candidate, it would be Santorum.