Getting tired of Ron Paul

[mikec]

Yes because WW2 showed that if we stay out of things, it absolutely will not come here. Iran with a nuke? They view US as Satan. If they have it, they'll use it. A bunch of religious nutbags who believe that if they kill themselves and us, they get a bunch of virgins and Allah will love them. Imagine Pearl harbor, but with nuclear weapons.

I still don't believe that they are close to it. Stuxnet fucked them in their asses, from what I understand.

Bottom line is this: Which "intel" do you believe? "Intel" got us into Iraq. "Intel" has killed how many of our men and women? "Intel" has fucked us a great many times, and as such it is suspect. I guess what I'm trying to say, is that it is one thing to say they have a nuclear bomb, or will have it tomorrow. In the meantime we have spent BILLIONS of dollars and wasted THOUSANDS of lives in pursuit of "world peace". Where does it stop? After our country is completely bankrupted and countless Nobel prize and future presidents and breakthrough producing scientists are killed? It has to stop at some point, and I for one would prefer that be sooner rather than later.

Hell, I heard the pygmies in the bush of Australia are developing a nuke so let's head our asses over there as well! It has to be so because I read it on the internet!

[Forever_frost]

Mike, you are aware we found tons and tons of yellow cake uranium and cyanide salts right? Saddam buried his entire Air Force to hide it. Do you think he didn't do the same to his other assets.

You want to know what the answer is? Use overwhelming violence. No half measures, no hearts and mind fighting. You glass the region, kill anyone who has a weapon and slaughter their entire families. And I mean down to the dog. It costs very little, isn't protracted and then you don't rebuild shit. Leave it destroyed as a testament to what happens when you fuck with us.

Are you really comparing our intel to what you read on the internet?

[mikec]

Mike, you are aware we found tons and tons of yellow cake uranium and cyanide salts right? Saddam buried his entire Air Force to hide it. Do you think he didn't do the same to his other assets.

You want to know what the answer is? Use overwhelming violence. No half measures, no hearts and mind fighting. You glass the region, kill anyone who has a weapon and slaughter their entire families. And I mean down to the dog. It costs very little, isn't protracted and then you don't rebuild shit. Leave it destroyed as a testament to what happens when you fuck with us.

Are you really comparing our intel to what you read on the internet?

1. Yes, we found WMD. I was trying to stick my head in the sand and argue like so many of these other peeps do. Thanks for screwing that up for me. lol

2. I agree with that wholeheartedly. IMO, if we would get back to saying "Fuck You" and pushing the button people would start respecting the big dog again. So, fuck yes, do it!

3. As far as I can see, the only intel we get to see is what is on the internet. I don't know anyone at all that can verify any purported "intel" that we hear about. What I do know for damned sure is that I don't believe one single word that "my" government tells me because they are unabashedly crooked and only tell us what they think we need to hear.

4. Are we ever gonna shoot? I need to get these scopes sighted in!

[Forever_frost]

1. Yes, we found WMD. I was trying to stick my head in the sand and argue like so many of these other peeps do. Thanks for screwing that up for me. lol

2. I agree with that wholeheartedly. IMO, if we would get back to saying "Fuck You" and pushing the button people would start respecting the big dog again. So, fuck yes, do it!

3. As far as I can see, the only intel we get to see is what is on the internet. I don't know anyone at all that can verify any purported "intel" that we hear about. What I do know for damned sure is that I don't believe one single word that "my" government tells me because they are unabashedly crooked and only tell us what they think we need to hear.

4. Are we ever gonna shoot? I need to get these scopes sighted in!

Sorry man, been busy with Christmas prep. I have a bunch of targets already set up and a 55 gallon drum for a shooting bench

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Mike, you are aware we found tons and tons of yellow cake uranium and cyanide salts right? Saddam buried his entire Air Force to hide it. Do you think he didn't do the same to his other assets.

You want to know what the answer is? Use overwhelming violence. No half measures, no hearts and mind fighting. You glass the region, kill anyone who has a weapon and slaughter their entire families. And I mean down to the dog. It costs very little, isn't protracted and then you don't rebuild shit. Leave it destroyed as a testament to what happens when you fuck with us.

Are you really comparing our intel to what you read on the internet?

This is outrageous. Worse than Hitler. To propose killing everyone in a region is just utterly idiotic. The majority in the region probably completely object to the militants, but hey fuck it kill em and prove a point.

[Forever_frost]

This is outrageous. Worse than Hitler. To propose killing everyone in a region is just utterly idiotic. The majority in the region probably completely object to the militants, but hey fuck it kill em and prove a point.

Nope. You either police that shit up or we will. If we go to war, we should go to war. It should not be a decision made easily but it should be war. Salt the earth, poison the wells, kill everything breathing, knock down every standing stone. You see, when I fight, I fight to make sure that I'm not having to watch my back.

Have you ever fought in a war? Or are you an armchair quarterback?

[mikec]

This is outrageous. Worse than Hitler. To propose killing everyone in a region is just utterly idiotic. The majority in the region probably completely object to the militants, but hey fuck it kill em and prove a point.

4484 have been killed in Iraq since the war kicked off.
33186 have been wounded in Iraq since the war kicked off.
2830 have been killed in Afghanistan since the war kicked off.
14342 have been wounded in Afghanistan since the war kicked off

Now you stop and think about all these innocent sons and daughters being killed and maimed and having their lives forever changed because a bunch of fucking animals can't get along with the rest of the world and insist on forcing their murderous and animalistic ways on the rest of the world. I say kill them all and let God sort them out before even one more of our children are killed in a land that does not appreciate their efforts. If innocents have to be killed I would MUCH rather it be those in that barbaric land than those raised on our own soil.

http://antiwar.com/casualties/

http://icasualties.org/oef/

http://icasualties.org/OEF/USCasualtiesByState.aspx

Can someone better than I at the internet please figure out a way to post that US map on the one OEF casualties page? Pretty impressive looking map.

[LiveFreeOrDie]

Nope. You either police that shit up or we will. If we go to war, we should go to war. It should not be a decision made easily but it should be war. Salt the earth, poison the wells, kill everything breathing, knock down every standing stone. You see, when I fight, I fight to make sure that I'm not having to watch my back.

Have you ever fought in a war? Or are you an armchair quarterback?

I agree that the decision to go to war should not be taken lightly and certainly should not be delegated to one man under the war powers. The problem with our enemy here is it is not a country. You can not fight this war like that. Terrorism has no borders. People on this site overwhelmingly advocate defending our families with firearms and most on here own guns. You want to kill someone and their family and dog in an area we occupy for just owning a gun. Maybe they own a gun to hunt or defend there family. I am coming up on my tenth year in the Air Force. I don't believe in blanket statements. I do believe in not rebuilding anything we have destroyed.

4484 have been killed in Iraq since the war kicked off.
33186 have been wounded in Iraq since the war kicked off.
2830 have been killed in Afghanistan since the war kicked off.
14342 have been wounded in Afghanistan since the war kicked off

Now you stop and think about all these innocent sons and daughters being killed and maimed and having their lives forever changed because a bunch of fucking animals can't get along with the rest of the world and insist on forcing their murderous and animalistic ways on the rest of the world. I say kill them all and let God sort them out before even one more of our children are killed in a land that does not appreciate their efforts. If innocents have to be killed I would MUCH rather it be those in that barbaric land than those raised on our own soil.

http://antiwar.com/casualties/

http://icasualties.org/oef/

http://icasualties.org/OEF/USCasualtiesByState.aspx

Can someone better than I at the internet please figure out a way to post that US map on the one OEF casualties page? Pretty impressive looking map.

I think it is a god damned tragedy our troops were sent to these countries, except in the pursuit of OBL. So you only value human life if it is concerning an American? I just cannot get there. Do I want any terrorist POS that would do us harm dead? Without a doubt, but I am against you two chest bumping and talking about lets kill everything that moves.

[mikec]

I think it is a god damned tragedy our troops were sent to these countries, except in the pursuit of OBL. So you only value human life if it is concerning an American? I just cannot get there. Do I want any terrorist POS that would do us harm dead? Without a doubt, but I am against you two chest bumping and talking about lets kill everything that moves.

One, it's not Gods fault. He didn't issue those orders.

Two, there is no chest bumping here. You have two people voicing opinions.

Three, what is your solution? I've stated that I don't agree with it, and stated that if we have to go in there I would much rather it be in the form of a big damned bomb that eliminates the needless suffering and loss of life of our boys and girls, young men and women.

Now that I know you have ten years in the Air Force, you tell me. What is your solution?

[Forever_frost]

I agree that the decision to go to war should not be taken lightly and certainly should not be delegated to one man under the war powers. The problem with our enemy here is it is not a country. You can not fight this war like that. Terrorism has no borders. People on this site overwhelmingly advocate defending our families with firearms and most on here own guns. You want to kill someone and their family and dog in an area we occupy for just owning a gun. Maybe they own a gun to hunt or defend there family. I am coming up on my tenth year in the Air Force. I don't believe in blanket statements. I do believe in not rebuilding anything we have destroyed.

No, we're not fighting enemy countries. We're fighting an belief. Want to know how to curtail that? You destroy every place it pops up. When these countries start seeing their cities destroyed, they will stop harboring the enemy. You make the price so horrible they are unwilling to pay it. As we did in Japan. The rank and file were all willing to die but their emperor wasn't willing to see his entire country turned to glass. That is how you play this game. You also pass a memo around that all our ammo are coated in pig's blood and pass around reports that before we attack any place, we aerosol pig lard and any who die are dying unclean. They use our liberties and rights against us, time to use their religion against them.

I don't fight clean. I fight to win.

[Forever_frost]

Oh, and you didn't answer. Have you fought in a war? Actually took someone's life and had yours in danger. 10 years is great in the Air Force but doesn't answer my question. War should carry a horrible price and anyone who decides to go toe to toe with us should realize what it's going to cost them

[LiveFreeOrDie]

One, it's not Gods fault. He didn't issue those orders.

Two, there is no chest bumping here. You have two people voicing opinions.

Three, what is your solution? I've stated that I don't agree with it, and stated that if we have to go in there I would much rather it be in the form of a big damned bomb that eliminates the needless suffering and loss of life of our boys and girls, young men and women.

Now that I know you have ten years in the Air Force, you tell me. What is your solution?

Well I don't believe we should have gone in the first place into Iraq. So my solution for not having any more American troops killed there is to get out. I believe the blowback argument, and that our asserting our power around the world has it's consequences. I don't believe in occupying other countries either as I think it to costly. Our leaders got us bogged down in these conflicts. I think when our troops show up they make the best of a shitty situation and do good where they can, and when shit hits the fan and someone is shooting at you they are the enemy at that point and time. Screw the terms. But you cannot kill everyone. You can't kill terrorism. It is time to come home. No other country would dare attack the US. We have to address why we are attacked.

[LiveFreeOrDie]

No, we're not fighting enemy countries. We're fighting an belief. Want to know how to curtail that? You destroy every place it pops up. When these countries start seeing their cities destroyed, they will stop harboring the enemy. You make the price so horrible they are unwilling to pay it. As we did in Japan. The rank and file were all willing to die but their emperor wasn't willing to see his entire country turned to glass. That is how you play this game. You also pass a memo around that all our ammo are coated in pig's blood and pass around reports that before we attack any place, we aerosol pig lard and any who die are dying unclean. They use our liberties and rights against us, time to use their religion against them.

I don't fight clean. I fight to win.

Japan attacked us with their military. Not a group of terrorists. It is just to broad where would you level first and why?

[Forever_frost]

I'd give a warning first. "Next Muslim who attacks a soldier, American aircraft or anything on US soil, we are going to destroy Mecca." Then, destroy Mecca. That's their heart, you rip it out

[mikec]

Well I don't believe we should have gone in the first place into Iraq. So my solution for not having any more American troops killed there is to get out. I believe the blowback argument, and that our asserting our power around the world has it's consequences. I don't believe in occupying other countries either as I think it to costly. Our leaders got us bogged down in these conflicts. I think when our troops show up they make the best of a shitty situation and do good where they can, and when shit hits the fan and someone is shooting at you they are the enemy at that point and time. Screw the terms. But you cannot kill everyone. You can't kill terrorism. It is time to come home. No other country would dare attack the US. We have to address why we are attacked.

We pretty much see eye to eye in terms of our beliefs.

Though I do believe, as does Frost, that if it is time to fight, it's time to fight. To hell with ROE, let's take the leash off and get this shit done. If that involves killing people that, if you stop for dinner and have brunch with them, you wouldn't have other wise killed, too damned bad. It's war, and war isn't pretty. Your people shouldn't have created the conditions that brought the Dogs of War to your table.

I think that's the only area in which we are different.