Ron Paul

[slow99]

The "if you don't like Paul, something's wrong with you" shit is hilarious.

[woodstock]

Like him or not, Ron Paul controls this election. If He sides with the Republican nominee should it NOT be him, the Elephant wins hands down. If he runs as a third party, then the Donkey is back in for another term. Newt should go to him and cut a deal to get him to endorse Newt and agree to be Secretary of the Treasury. Then Newt should go to Romney and try to talk him into being the VP. Goodbye Democrats.

Thats a horrible idea.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

To everyone saying that if RP goes head to head against the kenyan he'll lose, you have zero feel for people's general attitude. I guess maybe, you don't hear all the shit talking about osama everywhere you go? Maybe you're deaf?

[mustangguy289]

I want to vote for him, but I know he won't get the nomination. So, it won't matter. I may write in his vote anyways.

Why even waste your time showing up to the polls for a write in vote?

[Slowhand]

I never said I hated him. I dislike his brainwashed followers. I think he's actually got very good ideas. It's the handful of batshit crazy ideas that he's spouted off publicly that concern me about the extrememly batshit crazy ideas he's got stored away in that senile cranium of his.

I totally get the fear of the batshit crazy ideas, but it's not like those are things that he can single-handedly push through on his own; ideas that exist in the margin are going to be relegated to the margin.

[majorownage]

yup, and Paul doesn't have a chance...

lol GTFO neo-cons

[Geor!]

I probably shouldn't be posting this here, but fuck it.

Texas Rep. Ron Paul has surged to second place in a new Iowa poll of likely Republican caucus goers, just one percent behind former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, the current front-runner.

Paul has consistently placed in the top tier of Republican presidential candidates in recent Iowa polls. With Iowans heading to vote in only three weeks, Gingrich holds a razor-thin 22–21 lead.

The poll, conducted by Public Policy Polling, found weakening support for Gingrich among self-identified tea partiers, and a dramatic rise in Paul’s favorability rating.

“There are a lot of parallels between Paul’s strength in Iowa and Barack Obama’s in 2008 — he’s doing well with new voters, young voters, and non-Republican voters,” said PPP in an explanation of its poll’s findings.

Paul has taken aim at Gingrich with an ad alleging “serial hypocrisy” for changing his positions on a variety of issues, including health care and global warming. The ad also targeted him for accepting millions from Freddie Mac, and for calling a budget proposal from Wisconsin GOP Rep. Paul Ryan “right-wing social engineering.”

Gingrich’s favorability rating has declined 19 points among Iowans since last week.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney placed third in the poll, at 16 percent. He was followed by Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann at 11 percent, Texas Gov. Rick Perry at 9 percent, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum at 8 percent and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 5 percent.

Like Paul, former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson has attracted support for his libertarian policy positions. But he polled at only one percent. (SEE ALSO: Gingrich leads, but Paul most likely to beat Obama in latest Iowa poll)

Political commentators have predicted that Ron Paul can win in Iowa because of his supporters’ unusual dedication and enthusiasm. The PPP poll found that 77 percent of Paul supporters say they are definitely going to vote for him, compared to only 54 percent of Gingrich supporters.

University of Virginia professor Larry Sabato explained to The Daily Caller in November that Paul could win in Iowa ”as long as four or five candidates remain strong and in the contest.”

In a mid-November Bloomberg poll, Paul placed at 19 percent in Iowa, in a four-way statistical tie with Gingrich, Romney and businessman Herman Cain — who has since left the race in the wake of a string of allegations of sexual misbehavior.

In early November, pollster John Zogby predicted that if Cain exited the race, his supporters could help buoy Paul’s numbers since so many Cain devotees identified as libertarians. “Anti-government libertarians are running out of candidates to support,” he observed. (RELATED: Iowa presents a path to the nomination for Ron Paul)

If Paul does win in Iowa, he could enter the New Hampshire primary with significant momentum. In most polls in the Granite State, Paul places third behind Gingrich and Romney.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/13/in...#ixzz1gTUjMVfE

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Why even waste your time showing up to the polls for a write in vote?

It's my vote. If I vote for who I want, then it's not wasted. Then, I've participated in the political process and voted for MY candidate and not for whomever the RNC or DNC tell me to vote for. At least I WILL vote, which is better than sitting home. If enough people had the cajones to write him in, then he would be the winner. I urge all of you others that want him elected to do the same thing.

BTW, who are you planning to vote for?

[jw33]

I probably shouldn't be posting this here, but fuck it.

Texas Rep. Ron Paul has surged to second place in a new Iowa poll of likely Republican caucus goers, just one percent behind former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, the current front-runner.

Paul has consistently placed in the top tier of Republican presidential candidates in recent Iowa polls. With Iowans heading to vote in only three weeks, Gingrich holds a razor-thin 22–21 lead.

The poll, conducted by Public Policy Polling, found weakening support for Gingrich among self-identified tea partiers, and a dramatic rise in Paul’s favorability rating.

“There are a lot of parallels between Paul’s strength in Iowa and Barack Obama’s in 2008 — he’s doing well with new voters, young voters, and non-Republican voters,” said PPP in an explanation of its poll’s findings.

Paul has taken aim at Gingrich with an ad alleging “serial hypocrisy” for changing his positions on a variety of issues, including health care and global warming. The ad also targeted him for accepting millions from Freddie Mac, and for calling a budget proposal from Wisconsin GOP Rep. Paul Ryan “right-wing social engineering.”

Gingrich’s favorability rating has declined 19 points among Iowans since last week.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney placed third in the poll, at 16 percent. He was followed by Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann at 11 percent, Texas Gov. Rick Perry at 9 percent, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum at 8 percent and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 5 percent.

Like Paul, former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson has attracted support for his libertarian policy positions. But he polled at only one percent. (SEE ALSO: Gingrich leads, but Paul most likely to beat Obama in latest Iowa poll)Political commentators have predicted that Ron Paul can win in Iowa because of his supporters’ unusual dedication and enthusiasm. The PPP poll found that 77 percent of Paul supporters say they are definitely going to vote for him, compared to only 54 percent of Gingrich supporters.

University of Virginia professor Larry Sabato explained to The Daily Caller in November that Paul could win in Iowa ”as long as four or five candidates remain strong and in the contest.”

In a mid-November Bloomberg poll, Paul placed at 19 percent in Iowa, in a four-way statistical tie with Gingrich, Romney and businessman Herman Cain — who has since left the race in the wake of a string of allegations of sexual misbehavior.

In early November, pollster John Zogby predicted that if Cain exited the race, his supporters could help buoy Paul’s numbers since so many Cain devotees identified as libertarians. “Anti-government libertarians are running out of candidates to support,” he observed. (RELATED: Iowa presents a path to the nomination for Ron Paul)

If Paul does win in Iowa, he could enter the New Hampshire primary with significant momentum. In most polls in the Granite State, Paul places third behind Gingrich and Romney.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/13/in...#ixzz1gTUjMVfE

Most important part in bold. Romney and the newt attract exactly zero point zero I and D voters. In the polls with all voters factored in Paul does very well in the general election vs obama. Imagine if there were a fair amount of time spent covering Paul and his ideas?

Romney and the newt have so many parallel views compared to obama it's hardly anything to even debate about.

In general,
Romney/Newt: "You were for TARP/bailouts"
Obama: "So were you"

Romney/Newt: "You were for government mandated health care"
Obama: "So were you"

Those are the big ones and so on and so on...

[Vertnut]

It's my vote. If I vote for who I want, then it's not wasted. Then, I've participated in the political process and voted for MY candidate and not for whomever the RNC or DNC tell me to vote for. At least I WILL vote, which is better than sitting home. If enough people had the cajones to write him in, then he would be the winner. I urge all of you others that want him elected to do the same thing.

BTW, who are you planning to vote for?

It's important to vote. At least people that vote have a right to bitch.

I'm voting for whoever runs against Barry.

[mikec]

It's important to vote. At least people that vote have a right to bitch.

I'm voting for whoever runs against Barry.

Me as well.

[Avery'sDad]

It's important to vote. At least people that vote have a right to bitch.

I'm voting for whoever runs against Barry.

Me as well.

Typical right wing ignorance. I hope Obama not only wins, but wipes the floor with whoever the idiot is that is representing the GOP. They are out of touch with reality so much it's ridiculous.

Qualifications for GOP.

Against abortion.
supports "Core" values.
loves Jesus.
Police the world and kill brown people.
Support corporations at the expense of the middle class.

As long as they believe in the first 3, the typical republican voter will allow them to completely destroy everything else they stand for. In this day and age of the internet and common sense, the republicans days are numbered.

[mikec]

Yawn...

[Jewrrick]

Stating facts does not necessarily mean you hate the guy. Politics is a game... a very sucky game and it is not going to change and my one vote won't matter.

it's that attitude that had bitten us where we are. if every person who said "my one vote wont matter" voted we wouldn't have a lot of the issues we have today.

[Jewrrick]

Typical right wing ignorance. I hope Obama not only wins, but wipes the floor with whoever the idiot is that is representing the GOP. They are out of touch with reality so much it's ridiculous.

Qualifications for GOP.

Against abortion.
supports "Core" values.
loves Jesus.
Police the world and kill brown people.
Support corporations at the expense of the middle class.

As long as they believe in the first 3, the typical republican voter will allow them to completely destroy everything else they stand for. In this day and age of the internet and common sense, the republicans days are numbered.

I'm voting against Obama based on this

https://www.infowars.com/the-indefinite-detention-bill-does-apply-to-american-citizens-on-u-s-soil/

The Indefinite Detention Bill DOES Apply to American Citizens
on U.S. Soil
Washington’s Blog
Wednesday, December 14, 2011
Even at this 11th hour – when all of our liberties and freedom are
about to go down the drain – many people still don’t understand that the indefinite detention
bill passed by Congress allows indefinite detention of Americans on American soil.
The bill is confusing. As Wired noted on December 1st:
It’s confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other,
but in the judgment of the University of Texas’ Robert Chesney — a nonpartisan
authority on military detention — “ U.S . citizens are included in the grant of detention
authority.”
A retired admiral, Judge Advocate General and Dean Emeritus of the University of New
Hampshire School of Law also says that it applies to American citizens on American soil.
The ACLU notes:
Don’t be confused by anyone claiming that the indefinite detention legislation does not
apply to American citizens. It does. There is an exemption for American citizens from
the mandatory detention requirement (section 1032 of the bill), but no exemption for
American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain
people without charge or trial (section 1031 of the bill). So, the result is that, under the
bill, the military has the power to indefinitely imprison American citizens, but it does
not have to use its power unless ordered to do so.
But you don’t have to believe us. Instead, read what one of the bill’s sponsors, Sen.
Lindsey Graham said about it on the Senate floor: “1031 , the statement of authority to
detain, does apply to American citizens and it designates the world as the battlefield,
including the homeland.”
Another sponsor of the bill – Senator Levin – has also repeatedly said that the bill applies to
American citizens on American soil, citing the Supreme Court case of Hamdi which ruled that
American citizens can be treated as enemy combatants:
“The Supreme Court has recently ruled there is no bar to the United States holding one
of its own citizens as an enemy combatant,” said Levin. “This is the Supreme Court
speaking.“
Levin again stressed recently that the bill applies to American citizens, and said that it was
president Obama who requested that it do so.
Under questioning from Rand Paul, another co- sponsor – John McCain – said that Americans
suspected of terrorism could not only be indefinitely detained, but could be sent to
Guantanamo:
U.S. Congressman Justin Amash states in a letter to Congress :
The Senate’s [bill] does not even distinguish between American citizens and non-
citizens, or between persons caught domestically and abroad. The President’s power, in
his discretion, to detain persons he determines have supported associated forces
applies just as strongly to Americans seized on U.S . soil as it does to foreigners captured
on a far away battlefield.
Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson – General Colin Powell’s chief of staff – says that the bill is a big
step towards tyranny at home . Congressman Ron Paul says that it will establish martial law in
America.
Indeed, Amash accuses lawmakers of attempting to intentionally mislead the American
people by writing a bill which appears at first glance to exclude U.S. citizens, when it actually
includes us:
Pres. Obama and many Members of Congress believe the President ALREADY has the
authority the bill grants him. Legally, of course, he does not. This language was inserted
to keep proponents and opponents of the bill appeased, while permitting the President
to assert that the improper power he has claimed all along is now in statute.
***
They will say that American citizens are specifically exempted under the following
language in Sec. 1032: “The requirement to detain a person in military custody under
this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.” Don’t be fooled. All this
says is that the President is not REQUIRED to indefinitely detain American citizens
without charge or trial. It still PERMITS him to do so