No Bibles at Walter Reed

[Forever_frost]

What also people are failing to mention if that did happen surrounding countries over there were supporting them with arms and whatever else. We'd basically have to fend for ourselves with what we have. Which wouldn't be rpg's etc etc.

Oh, and getting M79's with HE rounds is actually pretty simple. Merely drive south for a while and then come back. If things are that bad where we're fighting our own military, then running south for a gun run (the opposite of Gun Runner) and for explosives is pretty simple. The Mexican military tends to have US military hardware for sale.

http://www.autoweapons.com/products/destructivedevices.html

[Forever_frost]

History:

the soviets tried the "tank rush" several times before learning (at a very high cost) that solitary tanks are extremely vulnerable to infantry. And that was way before the introduction of the Panzerfaust.
The simplest tactic was to throw paint or mud on the tank- blocking the crew's vision. A teller mine or even a couple of tied together hand grenades was enough to rupture a track. Equally effective (but only for the suicidal) was jamming a stone between the track and the wheels- whether it broke or was simply jammed made no difference. once immobile the tank was a dead duck

the germans always accompanied their tank attacks with infantry- and armoured cars (panzergrenadiers). the Polish army in the West formed Dragoon units, and the Soviets formed the "fusiliers" or "awtomatchiki" - essentially light infantry armed with machine pistols who rode into battle on top of the tanks then dismounted to protect them from enemy infantry

[racrguy]

Combine the latest incident with the burning of Bibles on a military base by the box and the banning of saying God Bless at military funerals and you get a very clear view of who this is aimed at.

Did you happen to read why they were burned, or what they were confiscated for in the first place?

[Forever_frost]

Yes, I did read why they were confiscated. Tell me, think they would have burned the Koran? Or would that have upset someone?

[racrguy]

Yes, I did read why they were confiscated. Tell me, think they would have burned the Koran? Or would that have upset someone?

There you go, with your whole "THEY'RE PERSECUTIN' CHRISTIANS AGAIN!" line of talk. Yes, they would. Do you not realize that the person that 1) confiscated the books and 2) told the soldier that had them shipped to him that it was against the rules was a chaplain? Quit being so dense. Rules say members of the military are not allowed to proselytize. Those books were printed in Pashto and Dari, to be handed out to locals. against the rules. They don't give two shits if you worship God, Allah, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, it's not allowed.

Why did they burn the books? All trash must be burned, and the books were "thrown away."

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. Let's not forget, the incident you're talking about happened in 2008, before Obama took office, so that angle I imagine you're going to try to take is shot as well.

[Forever_frost]

Racr, you don't see the issue because you, as a liberal, will defend everyone BUT Christians. They were against the rules, so you box them back up and return them. As someone who's seen how we handle the Koran overseas, I know what we'd have done if they had been the Koran. They'd have been taken to an Imam and we'd have included a huge chunk of money for 'unclean' people touching their holy book. Or do you not remember the HUGE outrage from Obama and liberals at one preacher burning the Koran in Florida?

Burn a Bible, keep blessings out of military funerals, and saying the Bible explicitly, cannot be brought into Walter Reed establishes a chain of evidence towards a conclusion.

[racrguy]

Racr, you don't see the issue because you, as a liberal, will defend everyone BUT Christians. They were against the rules, so you box them back up and return them. As someone who's seen how we handle the Koran overseas, I know what we'd have done if they had been the Koran. They'd have been taken to an Imam and we'd have included a huge chunk of money for 'unclean' people touching their holy book. Or do you not remember the HUGE outrage from Obama and liberals at one preacher burning the Koran in Florida?

Burn a Bible, keep blessings out of military funerals, and saying the Bible explicitly, cannot be brought into Walter Reed establishes a chain of evidence towards a conclusion.

And you, being an uneducable right-winger, see an issue where there is none. I will not defend everyone BUT christians. I dislike their religion more than I do yours, but because we don't have any muslims here talking about it, all you see is me attacking christianity. They weren't sent back because then they could be construed as coming from the government, as the liaison said.

Military officers considered sending the Bibles back to the church, he said, but they worried the church would turn around and send them to another organization in Afghanistan -- giving the impression that they had been distributed by the U.S. government.

Yes, I remember the stink about burning the Koran. And I could give two shits about that guy burning the Koran, all he did was proven how moronic he is. And he is well within his rights to do both. Did you read the whole article you posted? It says "No religious materials" (followed by examples.) Religious materials is INCLUSIVE of the Bible, Koran, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster or ANY other holy book.

[Forever_frost]

So they were concerned about that but not about offending Christians and our holy book?

[racrguy]

So they were concerned about that but not about offending Christians and our holy book?

Way to ignore everything I said.... The military doesn't give two fucks about your holy book, or anyone elses. The only reason they supposedly treated the Koran your talking about with kid gloves is because it's a means to an end. There was an agenda there (to get the cooperation of the natives) otherwise they'd have just done away with them just like they did here. The bibles were more trouble than they were worth, so they just discarded them.

[Forever_frost]

And right there is where you're wrong. The military gives a whole of of thought as to how the Koran is treated. As someone who's been briefed on how to treat it and had to sit through classes on Islam, I think I have superior knowledge on this one. If you're caught destroying a Koran, in the military, you get hammered. My knowledge is based on actual service, training and experience.

What's yours sparky?

[racrguy]

You didn't read my whole post. You stopped at "They don't give two fucks about your book or anyone elses." Pull your head out of your ass.

[talisman]

Racr, you don't see the issue because you, as a liberal, will defend everyone BUT Christians. They were against the rules, so you box them back up and return them. As someone who's seen how we handle the Koran overseas, I know what we'd have done if they had been the Koran. They'd have been taken to an Imam and we'd have included a huge chunk of money for 'unclean' people touching their holy book. Or do you not remember the HUGE outrage from Obama and liberals at one preacher burning the Koran in Florida?

Burn a Bible, keep blessings out of military funerals, and saying the Bible explicitly, cannot be brought into Walter Reed establishes a chain of evidence towards a conclusion.

You seriously need to a get a grip.

[racrguy]

You seriously need to a get a grip.

un-fucking-possible

[Forever_frost]

Actually, I read the whole thing. Several times as I wasn't sure if you were that dense or if it was my medication making me read wrong. No, you're that dense. Burning Bibles? Get some JP8 and a flare. Burning Korans? You get court martial-ed and the president denounces the action

How's that grip?

[racrguy]

*yawn*

Edit: I need to find smarter people to argue with, FF here doesn't even keep me on my toes and make me actually think about what I'm posting because the faults in his logic are so glaringly obvious.