No Bibles at Walter Reed

[onemeangixxer7502]

Actually there's a good chance of that happening.

Honestly that's a lose lose situation, even a well organized militia couldn't compete against our governments modern military. I've been stocking up incase shtf though

[Forever_frost]

Honestly that's a lose lose situation, even a well organized militia couldn't compete against our governments modern military. I've been stocking up incase shtf though

You evidently haven't seen our fight in Vietnam, in Iraq and Afghanistan. Someone who knows their environment is deadly. VERY. Even a loosely organized militia can disassemble a modern military. That's how we beat the British and how we have been hammered in the jungle and desert and mountains.

You're also assuming that the active duty military will not defect and take their weapons, skills and equipment with them, that they'll open fire on their own families and that we don't have prior service military in the civilian populations with armaments that would rival the weapons the government could use. Do you think they'd use cluster bombs and nukes on our own soil?

[Rough Customer]

I do not advocate religion in any form and would love to see it retired voluntarily but denying a soldier (especially a wounded soldier... appalling) access to literature and other comfort items is very wrong.

[Forever_frost]

They literally said "If you are wounded, your family cannot bring you a Bible." A priest can't come in with his, which if I understand correctly, that means there's issues with last rites and so forth.

Again, if the Koran was mentioned explicitly, do you not think the Islamic Council wouldn't have filed several lawsuits and called the military islamophobic?

[racrguy]

They literally said "If you are wounded, your family cannot bring you a Bible." A priest can't come in with his, which if I understand correctly, that means there's issues with last rites and so forth.

Again, if the Koran was mentioned explicitly, do you not think the Islamic Council wouldn't have filed several lawsuits and called the military islamophobic?

Yet AGAIN we're faced with an issue where you think "Oh they're hating on Christians only." Even Fox news, who is NOTORIOUS for making things slanted, said:

Walter Reed National Military Medical Center said they are rescinding a policy that prohibits family members of wounded military troops from bringing Bibles or any religious reading materials to their loved ones.

Yes, that explicitly bans the Koran too.

Also, what Rough Customer said.

If families want to bring loved ones bibles, be my guest, there isn't a constitutional amendment barring people from believing certain things, it only forbids the government from getting involved in any way.

[talisman]

So what you're saying is that because Christians bring their service members a Bible into Walter Reed that it's mentioned and Muslims don't bring a copy of the Koran to their family right Nash? Tell me, what do you think would have been the result if it said (Koran, etc)? Think we'd have several lawsuits by Islamic groups yet?

I think you're reaching like fucking crazy.

[ceyko]

I think you're reaching like fucking crazy.

Maybe he is reaching a little, but it's no different than some other trends that we see spun these days. At least in regards to racism and/or "hate crimes".

I get what you're saying and I agree the ban was universal. Either way, in the particular case it never should have been implemented in the first place. I'm glad our leaders/politicians are dealing with these important issues, considering there is nothing else going on.

[line-em-up]

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It says "religious items," not "Christian religious items."

What about a muslum woman wearing a curtain? Does that count? It should, because it is expressing a religious view.

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What about a muslum woman wearing a curtain? Does that count? It should, because it is expressing a religious view.

It says that you can't give the Soldiers religious items, so as long as she doesn't take it off...

[onemeangixxer7502]

Actually there's a good chance of that happening.

You evidently haven't seen our fight in Vietnam, in Iraq and Afghanistan. Someone who knows their environment is deadly. VERY. Even a loosely organized militia can disassemble a modern military. That's how we beat the British and how we have been hammered in the jungle and desert and mountains.

You're also assuming that the active duty military will not defect and take their weapons, skills and equipment with them, that they'll open fire on their own families and that we don't have prior service military in the civilian populations with armaments that would rival the weapons the government could use. Do you think they'd use cluster bombs and nukes on our own soil?

Thats stretching it a bit, people in vietnam have been fighting people since who knows when and were dug in. Same thing with the afghani's . Also the kill ratios were very one sided.

[Forever_frost]

Yet AGAIN we're faced with an issue where you think "Oh they're hating on Christians only." Even Fox news, who is NOTORIOUS for making things slanted, said:



Yes, that explicitly bans the Koran too.

Also, what Rough Customer said.

If families want to bring loved ones bibles, be my guest, there isn't a constitutional amendment barring people from believing certain things, it only forbids the government from getting involved in any way.

Combine the latest incident with the burning of Bibles on a military base by the box and the banning of saying God Bless at military funerals and you get a very clear view of who this is aimed at.

[Forever_frost]

Thats stretching it a bit, people in vietnam have been fighting people since who knows when and were dug in. Same thing with the afghani's . Also the kill ratios were very one sided.

Do you know what the most deadly thing is to an Abrhams tank or any other armored vehicle? Infantry. Guys with rifles and are on foot who use what's at hand.

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Do you know what the most deadly thing is to an Abrhams tank or any other armored vehicle? Infantry. Guys with rifles and are on foot who use what's at hand.

How does that counter his point?

He's right, on a kill:death basis...the US handily won/is winning Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

Even Fox news, who is NOTORIOUS for making things slanted

So are all the rest

[Forever_frost]

How does that counter his point?

He's right, on a kill:death basis...the US handily won/is winning Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan.

I'm pointing out that if things went bad and it was the military versus the citizenry, the citizenry would win every time.