Peaceful OWS

[ceyko]

Frost, man. You usually get a lot of slack on ths board, but you're getting weirder and weirder. You post articles because the subject matter seems to bother you, but don't ever want to talk about the mechanics of the issue at hand. You lash out irrationally and grasp at straws, and it makes me worried about you. I know your injuries cause you some problems, so if you need anything man, ask. We're here for you, and I genuinely hope you're ok. Take care dude.

If FF is ying, racr is yang - that's all I'm seeing. I see 2 arguments that I can't agree with either fully.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

Frost, man. You usually get a lot of slack on ths board, but you're getting weirder and weirder. You post articles because the subject matter seems to bother you, but don't ever want to talk about the mechanics of the issue at hand. You lash out irrationally and grasp at straws, and it makes me worried about you. I know your injuries cause you some problems, so if you need anything man, ask. We're here for you, and I genuinely hope you're ok. Take care dude.

So what do you think about my mental health?

[Reefer Rae]

So what do you think about my mental health?

Isn't there a 20 page thread already that confirms what everyone thinks about your mental health/capacity ?

[Forever_frost]

Frost, man. You usually get a lot of slack on ths board, but you're getting weirder and weirder. You post articles because the subject matter seems to bother you, but don't ever want to talk about the mechanics of the issue at hand. You lash out irrationally and grasp at straws, and it makes me worried about you. I know your injuries cause you some problems, so if you need anything man, ask. We're here for you, and I genuinely hope you're ok. Take care dude.

I"m all for talking about the mechanics. I've mentioned Supreme Court limitations on speech and assembly (which I disagree with but as Racr points out is the law despite the wording of the Constitution), the destruction of private and public property, the rapes, assaults and attacks on police.

If I'm missing anything, do let me know. Yes, my disability gets in the way at times but for the most part, I do pride myself on my ability to bring the debate to the table.

[GrayStangGT]

"Look at when the Native Americans were here," added Kanaska Carter, from Canada. "They were sleeping wherever they wanted. Nobody should have the right to own land like this. I think that we should have the right to sleep anywhere that we want."

"The right to be in a public assembly, in my opinion, involves the right to set up some kind of a sleeping area," says Eric Rassi of New York. "You need to be able to put people in a bed once a day, and that is part of your right to public assembly."

In a chilly rain, Kanaska Carter was sitting with fellow protester Jason Carter (no relation). They were angry that police didn't provide a place for protesters to move, once they were forced to leave Zuccotti. "Now we're all homeless," Kanaska said. "We have nowhere to go."

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/wall-street-unoccupied-nowhere-go

Saw this in an article earlier, just about sums up the mentality of these dumbass people.

[Forever_frost]

And yet they are there with clothing they didn't make, using laptops they didn't build using internet they didn't create, eating food they didn't hunt or clean.

They want this? Fine. Let's do to them like FDR did to the Japanese. Put them in their own commune and let them live their socialist dream with no outside support. No one or nothing goes in or out

[racrguy]

And yet they are there with clothing they didn't make, using laptops they didn't build using internet they didn't create, eating food they didn't hunt or clean.

They want this? Fine. Let's do to them like FDR did to the Japanese. Put them in their own commune and let them live their socialist dream with no outside support. No one or nothing goes in or out

I take it you dislike socialism.

[Forever_frost]

Yes, I really do.

[Baba Ganoush]

While I wholeheartedly agree that OWS are, as a whole, scumbags that deserve terrible things. Racr is right in saying that they still have rights and the police generally don't get to skip over those rights. A right to due process comes to mind.

You are right about the due process.


The problem is these people are wearing out their welcome. They're really only getting attention for the wrong things. Their commonalities are not very attractive. They need a voice, or an avenue to express their collective goal. Otherwise they're just bums, sorry to say. I mean, what are we dealing with here? Just poor bastards mad because of how greedy the world is? Oh well, moving on. As an astute member here said, you'd really have to knock the house of cards down and start again.

I've heard comparisons here to the civil rights movement or the forefathers plight. Uh..what? Let's not get all potato in here.

[racrguy]

Yes, I really do.

Well that's mighty hypocritical of you, don't you think?

[Forever_frost]

How do you figure?

Oh wait, you're going to say the military is socialist

[racrguy]

How do you figure?

Here's the point where I show you how you like socialism, and you are a communist.

You get a check from the government every month, and pay no taxes correct? That's a form of socialism. If you truly didn't like socialism like you say you do, then you'd pay taxes and refuse the checks from the government. I'm not saying you aren't entitled to the benefits you get. To say you are against socialism, yet partake in its benefits is hypocritical on your part.

You are a Communist based on the following post.

Nah, I wouldn't have hot Mexican women there. They'd start reproducing and then vote me out of office with their 200 plus kids. I'm thinking Swedes. And yes, I'll need a ferry captain. I'm thinking get a community of people who are tired of the BS and just build a fortress and be self sufficient. No welfare, nothing. Everyone contributes something in skills. It'd be like a military unit.

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/showpost.php?p=449506&postcount=22

com·mu·nism
noun \ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-\
Definition of COMMUNISM
1
a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2
capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism

Edit: You edited your post as I was forming mine. No, the military isn't a form of socialism, because you're working for the pay you get. At this point you aren't working, yet are still receiving pay and benefits.

[Forever_frost]

I get a check every month and pay no taxes. Correct. That is pay for services rendered, thus capitalism. Were it socialism, I'd have to do nothing to have earned that check so do try again.

And I'm not a communist. More of wanting my own monarchy. A capitalistic monarchy with me at the top. Still not a communist. What else do you have? If it's my island, I make the rules. You don't have to come there, you don't have to be admitted and if I don't like you, out you go. My like tends to go, in that instance, on how much money you are bringing in. I also said nothing about distributing goods equally now did I? I said everyone contributes. Like a military unit. Do you honestly believe that the E1's make what the O8 does?

[sig239]

And that gives them right to break windows and hurl molitovs? These fuckers are animals who are destroying private property and should be put down like the rabid dogs they are. They fuck in public, shit on everything, burn our flag, assault and slice cops with razors, assault businesses that want nothing to do with them and have such peaceful campsites that women and trannies have to be separated because the fuckers can't stop fucking anything that lays down.

Which is why you have outbreaks of body lice, TB and STD's at Occupied areas

Don't forget the rape of minors, having your kids removed from you. I laughed at the story yesterday about them having to get help to find shelter because they had no real home. Fuck every one of them.

[racrguy]

I get a check every month and pay no taxes. Correct. That is pay for services rendered, thus capitalism. Were it socialism, I'd have to do nothing to have earned that check so do try again.

And I'm not a communist. More of wanting my own monarchy. A capitalistic monarchy with me at the top. Still not a communist. What else do you have? If it's my island, I make the rules. You don't have to come there, you don't have to be admitted and if I don't like you, out you go. My like tends to go, in that instance, on how much money you are bringing in. I also said nothing about distributing goods equally now did I? I said everyone contributes. Like a military unit. Do you honestly believe that the E1's make what the O8 does?

so·cial·ism
noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Definition of SOCIALISM
1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

You are currently doing no work, getting a check from the government. No matter which way you slice it, it's socialism. And to a certain extent, I'm ok with socialism as well. Take for instance the pay you get, I've got no issue with you getting the benefits you're getting, but let's call it what it is, socialism.

So you'd just keep all the "rewards" for yourself? That sounds like what we'd call today a dictatorship.

Just keep it real, and understand the stances you really have.