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    Since 1956 or sooner.


    In Congress, a really good law is like a really good movie. If audiences liked it the first time, they’re going to love a remake — or two.

    That appeared to be the logic Tuesday evening as the House debated whether “In God We Trust” should be the national motto. Of course, “In God We Trust” already is the national motto, guaranteed by an act of Congress in 1956.

    And “In God We Trust” had already been reaffirmed once before as the national motto, by another act of Congress in 2002.

    Still, on Tuesday, the House spent 35 minutes debating whether the motto should be re-reaffirmed.

    Many lawmakers threw their heart into the debate, even though it was a remake of a remake — its outcome as predetermined as the end of the third King Kong movie.

    “Is God God? Or is man God? In God do we trust, or in man do we trust?” said Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.). He was laying out the deeper meaning behind this debate — saying it was a chance for the House to reassert that it believes there is divine goodness and order in the universe.

    If there isn’t, Franks said, “we should just let anarchy prevail because, after all, we are just worm food. So indeed we have the time to reaffirm that God is God and in God do we trust.”

    With all that time on their hands, President Obama said, the lawmakers should be moving on aspects of the American Jobs Act.

    “In the House of Representatives, what have you guys been doing, John?” Obama said, calling out House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio).

    “You’ve been debating a commemorative coin for baseball. You’ve had legislation reaffirming that ‘In God We Trust’ is our motto. That’s not putting people back to work,” Obama said. “I trust in God, “but God wants to see us help ourselves by putting people back to work.”

    The motto “In God We Trust” is credited to Francis Scott Key, who wrote a version of it into a later verse of “The Star-Spangled Banner” (we usually only sing the first verse).

    The motto first appeared on U.S. coins during the Civil War and now is inscribed on all coins and dollar bills.

    The motto has withstood legal challenges from groups that said it violated the separation of church and state. Courts have held that the motto is “ceremonial Deism,”not an official endorsement of religion.

    Still, just to be sure, Congress voted to reaffirm the motto in 2002. In essence, it passed a new law that said the old law should not be changed one bit. “Make no change in Section 302, Title 36, United States Code,” it ordered then, citing the passage that created the motto.

    Then, in 2006, the Senate voted another time, to reaffirm “the concept embodied in the motto.”

    So why would the motto need another vote in the House?

    “Unfortunately, we’ve had a number of key public officials who — even after the 2002 vote — apparently were confused about what the national motto was,” said Rep. J. Randy Forbes (R-Va.), the bill’s sponsor.

    He was talking, in part, about Obama. In November 2010, in a speech in Jakarta, Indonesia, the president said, “In the United States, our motto is E pluribus unum — out of many, one.” That Latin phrase is, indeed, written on the national seal. But it is not the national motto.

    Just to be sure there is no misunderstanding, the House voted 396 to 9 Wednesday to re-reaffirm the motto and encourage its display in all public schools and government buildings. One Republican (Justin Amash of Michigan) and eight Democrats voted nay.

    Last year, when Democrats controlled the House, they passed more than 250 commemorative resolutions, honoring everything from motherhood to motor homes.

    When Republicans took over, they promised that would change. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) set out what aides called “the Cantor Rule.”

    “Each day, we will hold ourselves accountable by asking the following questions: Are our efforts addressing job creation and the economy; are they cutting spending; and are they shrinking the size of the federal government while protecting and expanding individual liberty?” Cantor said at the beginning of this term. “If not, why are we doing it?”

    So how does this re-reaffirmation fit into that?

    A spokesman for Cantor did not offer an explanation when asked for comment. Forbes, the bill’s sponsor, said it would inspire Americans in tough economic times. “Our citizens need that kind of hope,” he said, “and that kind of inspiration.”

  • #2
    what does your thread title have to do with the article? Just curious what the angle is? Maybe i missed it, im tired...

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    • #3
      First Amendment.

      Originally posted by The United States Constitution
      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
      Which clearly the votes on this motto are in violation of.

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      • #4
        are you serious? I think you missed the bus to canada AKA dfwstangs.net

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        • #5
          Just curious, what's the deal with you hellbent on being anti-God, anti-Christ and anti-Creator?
          I've read a lot of your posts that try and demonise Christianity, belittle those who do believe, and you act like you're the know all of religion and act like you were here to witness the cosmic explosion that you swear by.
          Trust me, the elite will take care of your concerns soon enough, then you can cheer and celebrate as they enslave the masses.
          Are you all for the nwo and the globalist who try and play God?
          If you haven't noticed, the Constitution has been worn out due to all the trampling of the past few presidents and the current one.
          Be happy, they agree with your view.
          2 Chronicles 7:14
          If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Aceman85turbo View Post
            are you serious? I think you missed the bus to canada AKA dfwstangs.net
            What do you mean am I serious? What the hell kind of question is that. Yes, I support the constitution, good bad or indifferent.
            Originally posted by Up0n0ne View Post
            Just curious, what's the deal with you hellbent on being anti-God, anti-Christ and anti-Creator?
            I'm pro truth, things that are not proven are not true.
            I've read a lot of your posts that try and demonise Christianity, belittle those who do believe, and you act like you're the know all of religion and act like you were here to witness the cosmic explosion that you swear by.
            I don't have to demonize christianity, it demonizes itself, believers just run around with their blinders on like none of it ever happened and try to be self-righteous when speaking about other religions being violent. And as far as the big bang, it has far more proof than any creation story that has ever been told.
            Trust me, the elite will take care of your concerns soon enough, then you can cheer and celebrate as they enslave the masses.
            Since you're taking up for the government established religion, I'd say you're the one who's helping the "elite enslave the masses"
            Are you all for the nwo and the globalist who try and play God?
            No, as a matter of fact I'm not, if you'd take the time to remove your "He's bashing religion, he must be NWO!" glasses, you'd see that I'm libertarian. Pull your head out of your hind end.
            If you haven't noticed, the Constitution has been worn out due to all the trampling of the past few presidents and the current one.
            And that somehow makes this right?
            Be happy, they agree with your view.
            No, they don't. Every president of the last ~50 years at least has been a self admitted christian.

            I honestly don't know why I took the time to respond to this mindless drivel you call a post.

            But it's all good, all of you religious right wingers continue down your path of ignorance. You should be thanking people like me who are willing to say something about the wrongs that are committed regarding the constitution so that you're able to keep at least some of your rights. But if you continue to allow the government to run amok trampling all over them you'll end up with none left. Remember, even if you don't agree with someone's message or ideal, you can still fight for their rights. I do it on a regular basis.

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            • #7
              oh sweet baby Jesus....
              1971 Ford Torino - Time to go bigger and better.

              2011 F150 Limited - Stock with a 6.2

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Torinoman View Post
                oh sweet baby Jesus....

                What this man said.

                Stevo
                Originally posted by SSMAN
                ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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                • #9
                  nothing in this world is proven, there are no truth's.

                  All you have is your beleifs.

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                  • #10
                    To acknowledge the presence of God does not equal state sanctioned religion. Had they specified a certain belief, Christianity, Hindu. Oogitty Boogitty... would be.

                    The "separation of church and state" has been misconstrued to mean zero acknowledgment of all things faith based in the government square, whereas the founders intent was the acknowledgment of God and their rights to say as much in the governing body but that they(government) would never prescribe or sanction any one single religion as the one and only allowed for legal practice in the USA.

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                    • #11
                      I'm pro truth, things that are not proven are not true.

                      Ok, so let me ask you a non religion question then.



                      What path does electrons in electricity flow in? Does it go from positive to negative or from negative to positive?


                      IT CAN NOT BE PROVEN!! So are you saying that electricity can not work because you can't prove what direction electrons flow in?? But it does work. So, just because you can't prove something does not make it true.
                      Annoying people, one post at a time!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Up0n0ne View Post
                        Just curious, what's the deal with you hellbent on being anti-God, anti-Christ and anti-Creator?
                        I've read a lot of your posts that try and demonise Christianity, belittle those who do believe, and you act like you're the know all of religion and act like you were here to witness the cosmic explosion that you swear by.
                        Trust me, the elite will take care of your concerns soon enough, then you can cheer and celebrate as they enslave the masses.
                        Are you all for the nwo and the globalist who try and play God?
                        If you haven't noticed, the Constitution has been worn out due to all the trampling of the past few presidents and the current one.
                        Be happy, they agree with your view.
                        He's just another common attention whore who fails miserably whenever he attempts to debunk Christian beliefs. Somewhat comical on his first few tentative tries, boring ever since.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 91cavgt View Post
                          Ok, so let me ask you a non religion question then.



                          What path does electrons in electricity flow in? Does it go from positive to negative or from negative to positive?


                          IT CAN NOT BE PROVEN!! So are you saying that electricity can not work because you can't prove what direction electrons flow in?? But it does work. So, just because you can't prove something does not make it true.
                          Are you certain that it can't be proven?
                          Men have become the tools of their tools.
                          -Henry David Thoreau

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                          • #14
                            "Hows a rainbow made? whys the sky blue? how does a posi track rear end on a plymouth work? It just does."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Aceman85turbo View Post
                              nothing in this world is proven,
                              Definitively proven? You are correct. Science always allows the possibility that it is wrong. You must, however, prove something before it can be considered true.

                              Originally posted by Aceman85turbo
                              there are no truth's.

                              All you have is your beleifs.
                              If this is how you see the world, you have no basis for determining fantasy from reality.

                              Fortunately, science does work as evidenced by the device you use to send your statements and the systems that your statement uses to get to everyone else.

                              Originally posted by Tx Redneck View Post
                              To acknowledge the presence of God does not equal state sanctioned religion. Had they specified a certain belief, Christianity, Hindu. Oogitty Boogitty... would be.
                              I don't see how it doesn't. Only the Abrahamic religions refer to their deity/deity's as "God". Even then, Muslims and Jews tend to refer to it as "Allah" and YHWH of Jehovah respectively.. Therefore, it stands to reason that acknowledging the presence of "God" only acknowledges the Christian god. Not even taking into consideration that atheists don't even agree that your god even exists to be acknowledged. So, even if it is just sanctioned religion, it is still specifically dismissing non-religion.

                              Originally posted by Tx Redneck
                              The "separation of church and state" has been misconstrued to mean zero acknowledgment of all things faith based in the government square, whereas the founders intent was the acknowledgment of God and their rights to say as much in the governing body but that they(government) would never prescribe or sanction any one single religion as the one and only allowed for legal practice in the USA.
                              To protect people's freedom of religion, you must explicitly protect people from religion, as all religions are mutually exclusive. Even today, politicians can believe in whatever nonsense they want, the violation is when they begin legislating it, as they are "reaffirming" that they have. The government has no business even discussing religion as the government should be neutral on the topic.

                              They should have never changed the motto from "e pluribus unum". Religion inherently divides. Of many, one. Is neutrally all inclusive.

                              Originally posted by 91cavgt View Post
                              Ok, so let me ask you a non religion question then.



                              What path does electrons in electricity flow in? Does it go from positive to negative or from negative to positive?


                              IT CAN NOT BE PROVEN!!
                              So, you're saying that electron particles are not negatively charged and therefore "flow" from negative to positive? Or are you just saying that it cannot be proven?

                              Science disagrees and a quick google search before you began typing would have shown you that.

                              Originally posted by 91cavgt
                              So are you saying that electricity can not work because you can't prove what direction electrons flow in?? But it does work. So, just because you can't prove something does not make it true.
                              The problem with your entire analogy is that we can prove that electricity works, even if we could not prove that the flow of electrons is the process that makes it work.

                              To illustrate my point I'll use the theory of gravity. We know gravity works. We don't, however, know how it works. We have a few ideas, but are still working on it.

                              Your entire statement seems to be putting the cart before the horse. You must first prove that something is there to do anything before you can reasonably attribute any action to said thing.
                              Scientists do not coddle ideas. They crash test them. They run them into a brick wall at 60 miles per hour and then examine the pieces.

                              If the idea is sound, the pieces will be that of the wall.

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