This could be bad

[Maddhattter]

You're saying that there was no prohibitation of camping before this protest? Is that what you're trying to sell?

Not trying to sell anything. Just repeating what was said in an article posted earlier. An article that I linked and you didn't bother to read.

That being said...

You hop from point to point, trying to prove that civil rights should be waived at your whim.

You swear that you support then constitution, then make every justification to infringe on the rights of the many based on the actions of the few. You don't bother to even respond to arguments being made, you just hop to a new point. If you can't maintain consistency in a discussion there is no reason to assume you can actually hold a conversation and not make every exception just because you don't agree.

Continuing to demonstrate your hypocrisy would be akin to putting a mentally retarded child in a doctoral engineering class and laughing when when the kid fails the class. So, at least in this regard, I'm done chasing your tail as you run in circles.

[Forever_frost]

I never said at my whim. I pointed out the wording of the 1st amendment, I conceded the point of incorporation but added the limitation on peaceable assembly as the Supreme Court ruled in 1942. You however seem to believe that a mob can refuse police orders to disperse and can camp in a public park in violation of the law with no repercussion.

[racrguy]

You've either ignored, misread, or didn't comprehend the point he made more than once. You might quite possibly be the only person that didn't get it. And yes, you did try to use or ignore the constitution at your whim. It's not the first time you've not fully understood a legal matter, there's no reason to believe this is any different.

[Forever_frost]

And yet I disagree. I offered up case law that supported my argument as well as the very words of the 1st amendment. You can say I didn't get it, but an understanding of the first 5 words which stated "Congress shall make no laws" is pretty simple and I do understand it. Where it was broken down was when we got into incorporation and case law. At which point, I conceded that the 14th amendment incorporated the states however the 1942 case stated limited the assembling of individuals by a governmental agency.

And it never covers when police are hit in the head by flying debris and are engaging in using less than lethal force. They used CS grenades instead of bullets. The guy got hurt, that sucks but he was in a protest that was unruly and violent (a mob) that is not covered by the protections of the 1st amendment.

[racrguy]

I'm out. You keep saying the same shit that's already been covered. Come back and read this thread when you gain intelligence.

[Forever_frost]

Scott Olsen is the Marine Corps veteran critically injured at Occupy Oakland Tuesday night, during a confrontation between the protesters and the police. The latest news is good: his condition has been upgraded from critical to fair and he is apparently conscious and able to respond to doctors and family members. I sincerely wish him a full recovery, and I also hope that a proper investigation is conducted to determine whether police misconduct is responsible for his injuries.

But I ran across something this evening that may add a new dimension to this story. It has been widely reported that Olsen is a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War. But apparently his opposition to the U.S. military and the Marine Corps in which he served runs a little deeper.

The site is no longer live, but Olsen was the founder of IHateTheMarineCorps.com, a private user forum apparently dedicated to bashing the Marine Corps. (click to enlarge)

A Scott Olsen is listed as the registered owner of this domain, and I was able to confirm that this is indeed the same Scott Olsen based on a user profile on the fundraising site pledgie.com.

Compare the image above to Olsen’s profile on Facebook – it’s definitely him.

Using this information, I also uncovered a comment from Olsen on the Yahoo Answers site from last year where he is highly critical of the Marine Corps:

The Marine Corps thrives on its image. They convince young men and women that they’re joining a professional military organization. But that’s not the case at all, every Marine knows it, and most have no problem downplaying the bullshit to outsiders so they can protect their “beloved corps”. I noticed some of the other posters have told you not to pay any attention to my site because we’re just a bunch of ********* who couldn’t hack it, right? Maybe not hacking it means we saw through the bullshit and don’t want to take it. Maybe the brainwashing didn’t work on us. I’m not here to tell you if you should join or not. I’m here to advise you to take the people who visit my website just as seriously as anybody who tries to sell you the MC as a good thing.

My site is anonymous, these people don’t have to worry about hiding from the MC, or protecting the MC’s image or anything. It is unfiltered truth.
Source(s):
Former Marine, owner of http://www.ihatethemarinecorps.com

We are still digging for any other relevant information, so stay tuned.

Update: There are some pictures of interesting foliage and other paraphernalia on his Flickr account. Go figure: the guy being held up as a war hero by OWS is a pot smoker who hates the Marines.

Then there is this:

I was talking to my 1stsgt regarding a pending adsep since i had been accused of using cocaine. Anyway, when we were done talking, he used as a parting greeting “stay marine”. He clearly didn’t think that one through. It was no secret that I couldn’t wait to get out and on top of that, the MC was trying to kick me out. I was going to bust his balls over it, but I went and took a nap instead.

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=31617

[Denny]

Interesting... I wonder if there is more to this. It does make sense as to why he was out there, though.

[Forever_frost]

But the Occupy activists have not just yearned for confrontations with police; they have planned them.

In at least two cities, they have sent military veterans–in uniform, thus violating military code–to the front of protest marches in order to provoke police and to be the first targets if and when police do use force.

For example, a video from New York, posted on Oct. 16, shows a former Marine taunting and provoking police officers.


Most recently, Occupy activists have circulated videos that appear to show a Marine veteran, Scott Olsen, being wounded by a tear gas canister fired by police during the Oakland riot.

Occupy Wall Street is calling for a nationwide vigil for Olsen tonight with the theme: “We Are All Scott Olsen.” MoveOn.org–no friend of the military–is also highlighting the incident, as are Think Progress and other left-wing organizations.

Olsen’s injuries appear serious (we hope for his speedy and full recovery), and the Oakland police may indeed have overreacted. Nonetheless, evidence collected by Big Government reveals that Occupy has long sought precisely the sort of spectacle Olsen’s injury provides, in order to win broader public sympathy and to rally Occupy activists around common opposition to the police.

That is clear from an email sent on Oct. 13 by Tarak Kauff to other Occupy Wall Street activists. Kauff organizes “nonviolent direct action” for Veterans for Peace–the group Olsen marched with in Oakland.

In anticipation of a raid by police the next day to clear Zuccotti Park for cleaning (which was called off), Occupy Wall Street activists planned to hold brooms as police arrived, to show they were willing to clean the park themselves.

Kauff advised activists to hold brooms “peacefully,” with the brush side up, so as not to create the impression that the protestors were armed. He then suggested:

If the police overreact (as they are likely to) and we take the blows, and it is recorded, it will go worldwide and further tremendously galvanize the movement…If that can be done, this could be a major turning point. You will put the police and city in a lose/lose situation…

http://biggovernment.com/jpollak/2011/10/27/learning-from-hamas-how-occupy-is-using-human-shields-veterans-the-young-the-old-the-disabled/

[SMEGMA STENCH]

Have these people actually gotten anything accomplished? What is it that they want?

[Forever_frost]

Hell, they don't even know

[racrguy]

Hey, Forever_frost. Looks like you're wrong, yet again.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501369_162-20127499/tenn-protesters-to-defy-curfew-a-3rd-time/

(AP) NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Occupy Wall Street protesters chanted slogans, danced to stay warm and defiantly protested into the early hours Sunday near Tennessee's Capitol building, squaring off for the third consecutive night against state authorities.

"Whose plaza? Our plaza!" about 50 demonstrators chanted early Sunday in defiance of an official curfew.

Capitol police sporadically made their rounds and a state trooper occasionally walked past the protest in the pre-dawn hours, but authorities signaled no immediate attempt to make arrests as law enforcement agents had done on the two previous nights.

Elizabeth Sharpe, 20, took part Sunday and said she was inspired by the Occupy Wall Street movement after seeing a 2003 documentary called "The Corporation." She said she felt the need to be an activist in the movement that expresses opposition to perceived greed on Wall Street and across corporate America.

"How can I as an individual change this?" she asked, speaking with an Associated Press reporter. With the Occupy moment's far-flung reach across American cities, she said she felt there was strength in numbers, adding, ""I got for the first time a glimpse of hope."

Some danced to keep warm on a chilly morning and others shivered in the frosty air, huddling under blankets.

The protesters have been galvanized by the friction between state officials and the local magistrate. Several new demonstrators showed up at the state-owned plaza near the Capitol for the first time earlier in the day.

As many as 75 people initially remained after the curfew that started at 10 p.m. CDT and runs until 6 a.m. But by early morning only about 50 people remained and police did not make any immediate attempt to disband the protest.

On previous nights, the defiance had triggered arrests. Earlier Nashville arrests came after a week of police crackdowns nationwide on Occupy Wall Street activists. Clashes have occurred in other cities, including Oakland, Calif., Denver and Atlanta.

In Oakland, Calif., an Iraq War veteran was seriously injured during a protest clash with police Tuesday night. In Atlanta, helicopters hovered overhead Wednesday as officers in riot gear arrested more than 50 protesters at a downtown park. In San Diego, police arrested a similar number of people who occupied the Civic Center Plaza and Children's Park for three weeks. And in Denver on Saturday evening, authorities moved into an encampment of protesters and began arresting demonstrators just hours after a standoff near the steps of the Colorado Capitol turned into a skirmish that ended in police force, including pepper spray and reports of rubber bullets.

Nashville magistrate Tom Nelson has said recently that there's no legal reason in his city to keep the demonstrators behind bars and he has released them after each arrest. He has refused each night to sign off on arrest warrants for more than two dozen people taken into custody.

Some legal experts agreed with the judge.

The arrests appeared to be a violation of First Amendment rights that allow for people to peacefully assemble, said attorney David Raybin, a former prosecutor. He and others said the nature of the arrests, coupled with the judge's refusal to sign off on the warrants, could become ammunition for lawsuits.

"The government is exposing itself to serious liability here by doing this," Raybin said.

Nelson did not return an email seeking and a phone number for him could not be found.

State troopers had begun enforcing the curfew at the Legislative Plaza on Thursday night.

Others questioned the timing of the curfew. The protesters had been demonstrating for about three weeks before it took effect, a point that Nelson said he factored into his decision.

"You can't pass a curfew mid-protest because you disagree with this group of protesters," said criminal defense attorney Patrick Frogge, who is representing some of those arrested.

The state Department of Safety has been carrying out the arrests. Commissioner Bill Gibbons, who until he joined the Haslam administration was the district attorney in Memphis, said he didn't have a role in developing the curfew but assured Haslam his department could enforce it.

Gibbons developed a reputation as an able and tough prosecutor in Memphis, where gang and drug violence have been problems for years. He ran against Haslam for governor in the GOP primary, touting his law-and-order credential and sharply attacking his multi-million-dollar opponent for refusing to divulge how much income he gets from the family-owned chain of Pilot truck stops.

[Forever_frost]

So wait, you're arguing AGAINST legal precedent? The Supreme court has already ruled that you can impose laws against assembly provided certain rules are followed.

Cox v. New Hampshire (1941)

[8mpg]

Occupy people are being shut down all over the US including Wall Street.... how can the government do this? Health issues, criminal activity, etc...

[Up0n0ne]

Another article on it.
Those that say he deserved it are not only heartless but obviously care nothing for the Constitution.
Olsen was not only a decorated Vet., but did work fulltime.
Pathetic that so many clump ALL the protestors into a tiny "hipster" group when that isn't the case at all.
Oh wait the mainstream media says so, so it must be...


Did Oakland Police Intentionally Shoot Marine Vet Scott Olsen In the Head?

Washington’s Blog
Friday, October 28, 2011

The following photograph on videos show that Marine veteran Scott Olsen was peacefully standing at the Oakland protest when police fired a projectile at him:





Did Police Intend to Hit Olsen In the Head?

Here is a photo of the ammunition or projectiles which police shot at the Oakland protesters:



Karl Denninger argues that the police intended to hit Olsen in the head:

One ex-Marine — a combat veteran — took a rubber round in the head. He is in critical condition and may die. That was not a mistake; that was aimed fire and an intentional assassination. Sorry folks, that’s facts – from 50′ you don’t “miss” and hit someone in the head with these things if you’re shooting for the legs or other non-vital parts. He was shot in the head by someone who aimed for the head. Those projectiles arenot “non-lethal” and the bomb thrown by a cop at the people trying to come to his assistance after he fell wasn’t tossed accidentally either.

The policemen firing seemed to be having a little too much fun:



A protester also says the police shot him with a rubber bullet when he helped carry Scott Olsen to safety after he had been injured:



The Oakland police violated their own rules (page 9), and some have argued that they would have violated the Geneva Convention against targeting wounded combatants or those attempting to render medical aid.

No wonder even Amnesty International has condemned the use of tear gas as well as the actions of Mayor Jean Quan of Oakland, who said the measures were justified because protesters threw rocks. Although the Obama administration and the Department of Justice has shown no interest in investigating.

Olsen Is an Extremely Hard-Working Network Engineer and a Decorated Veteran

Olsen is a decorated veteran, who was an extremely hard-working network engineer:

Scott Olsen, 24, joined the protests as he worked his day job as a network engineer and left his apartment each night to sleep alongside protesters in San Francisco and Oakland, Calif., Keith Shannon said.

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Olsen, who is originally from Wisconsin, served two tours of duty in Iraq, makes a good living at a San Francisco software company and had a hillside apartment that overlooks San Francisco Bay.

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Each night, he would go out to the tent camps that have sprung up over the past month in cities as the movement spread to protest economic inequality and what they see as corporate greed.

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People at OPSWAT, the company where Olsen works, were devastated after learning of his injuries. They described him as a humble, quiet guy who worked hard over long hours.

“He’s been a big piece of what we do here and our growth strategy, so obviously it’s pretty devastating for us that he’s in the shape he’s in,” said Jeff Garon, the company’s director of marketing.

Olsen was awarded seven medals while serving in the U.S. Marine Corps, which he left as a lance corporal in November 2009 after serving for four years.

He went on two tours in Iraq, one in 2006-2007 and another in 2008, where he worked as a data network specialist. He was awarded seven medals, including the Navy-Marine Corps Achievement Medal, according to the Marine Corps.

Olsen’s condition has been upgraded from critical to “fair”, although neurologists say that he may require brain surgery.

Militarization of the Police is the Problem

Some are comparing police brutality towards the Occupy protesters to that used by Israeli forces against Palestinian protesters. Indeed, numerous heads of U.S. police departments have traveled to Israel for “anti-terrorism training”, and received training from Israeli anti-terrorism experts who have traveled to the U.S. See this, this, this, this.

But whether or not Israeli influence on U.S. police forces is a problem, the increasing militarization of U.S. police departments is clearly the problem (more).

In October 2010, the Oakland Tribune reported:

An Oakland police SWAT team finished second in a prestigious, internationally known training competition this past weekend, losing out to a group of Israeli police but beating more than two dozen other Bay Area law enforcement agencies that participated.

Indeed, the Alameda County Sheriff has hosted some of these Swat competitions (Oakland is in Alameda County, California).

Veterans Are Not Amused by the Attack on Olsen

Veterans are not amused by an attack on one of their own:





Apparently, veterans led the march to re-occupy Oakland after Olsen was injured.

And see this.

Anonymous Releases Police Information

Anonymous released a video in support of Olsen:



The group also temporarily took down the Oakland police website, and released personal information about Oakland police officers.

Mayor Backs Down

And the Mayor of Oakland has now done an about-face, saying the protesters can stay and that she “supports” them.

http://www.infowars.com/did-oakland-police-intentionally-shoot-marine-vet-scott-olsen-in-the-head/

[8mpg]

Thats some awesome proof he was intentionally shot in the head

If they didnt want to disperse, its their fucking problem. The police came in after demonstrators would not leave when they were supposed to and someone got hurt. Im sure the police enjoyed pelting people with rubber bullets...who wouldnt?