Book of Revelations

[racrguy]

Once again, you lack reading comprehension because I addressed all of your points in one fell swoop.

You specifically listed meteors in your list. I pointed out that CME's are not meteors, and vice versa. Plagues have been happening since the beginning of recorded history. And as far as most of the other topics you posted about, how long have we actually been recording hard data about those (earthquakes, fires, temperature changes) and not inferring the data from other sources. (that's not to say that the other data is wrong)

I said I didn't respect your beliefs, I didn't say I don't respect you. There is a difference there. Lead greeting party, no questions asked? You sound like forever_frost when he's on one of his brainless tirades.

[Maddhattter]

Well, I'm not going to jump into the argument on beliefs because I have mine and no one here on a CAR MESSAGE board can convince me to change them.

Then why the post? You’re doing exactly what you claim you’re not going to do.

Back on topic, we are in some VERY troubling times. EVERYTHING that we have come accustommed to is about to change wether we want it to or not. There's no getting around that fact

Agreed, but this would happen with the normal progression of things. Everything our grandparents had become accustomed to changed whether they wanted it to or not, yet the world did not end then. Why are we to assume that it would now?

We are in a situation where it is practically impossible to pay down our debt and MANY other countries are in the same boat as we are. The world wide debt is in excess of the amount of money in this world.

Sorry, it is never nearly impossible to pay down debt. All we’d have to do is stop incurring it and pay what payments we agreed on. While it would take some time, all the debts would be paid. Furthermore, your unsourced claim about global debt exceeding global currency value is irrelevant. Just because I owe someone money doesn’t mean I can’t loan money to someone else, thus creating more debt than currency. If the global debt has exceeded the global currency value, I think we’d agree that it is a bad thing, but it would still have no real bearing on anything other than our own irresponsibility. Given that your god made everything for us to exploit, there is no reason to care how bad things are, your god will set it all right.

REALLY bad times are near, and there are SEVERAL things going on that do correlate with the Bible wether you like it, or agree with it or not. You can't deny that FACT. And if you deny these facts then you are going to be one of those that will be crawling on your hands and knees to one of us begging for help.

I’ll get to your so-called “facts” in my next post, but I’ll spoil the ending.

*SPOILER ALERT*You’re wrong.*SPOILER ALERT*

And saying “if you deny these facts then you are going to be one of those that will be crawling on your hands and knees to one of us begging for help” is effectively saying “you're gonna go to hell if you don't repent and go to church”.

God help us.

May the Flying Spaghetti Monster grace you with a touch of his noodley appendage.

[Maddhattter]

Here are just a handful of the things the bible says will be heading our way in the end of times.


•Plague
•Earthquakes
•Hailstorms
•Fire
•Famine
•Meteor storm
•Lack of drinking water

So, no context to the predictions? Context is very important in literary works and general conversation. Please, provide sources for your claims of what the bible says, so that others can inspect the context of what is most likely a cherry picked passage.

1. Was not the swine flu dubbed a pandemic by the W.H.O.? (Source = W.H.O. website)

Irrelavent, as a pandemic =/= plague. Plagues are very specific things.

Plague
Bubonic plague; Pneumonic plague; Septicemic plague
Last reviewed: June 9, 2011.
Plague is a severe and potentially deadly bacterial infection.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001622/

A flu is also a very specific thing, as evident by it’s definition.

Flu
Influenza A; Influenza B
Last reviewed: September 16, 2011.
The flu is an easily spread infection of the nose, throat, and lungs.
See also: Swine flu (H1N1)
Causes, incidence, and risk factors
The flu is caused by an influenza virus.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001144/

So, whether or not the W.H.O. calls anything a pandemic, it doesn’t matter. It’s not a plague unless it’s a severe and potentially deadly bacterial infection.

It should also be pointed out that the plagues listed for the endtimes are very specific and start with a plague that affects those who carry the mark of the beast. Rev. 16:2

It also has to come first per Rev. 14:9-10. Your prophesy doesn’t agree with you.

So, no proof found there.

2. Over the last 15 years, the earth has seen a large amount of deadly quakes, more so than in previous years. (Source USGS.gov)

Sorry, by actually looking at their information, you’ll not only find that we’ve done about average across the board, based on their estimations. It also details that they don’t have detailed records beyond that time frame, as they didn’t have reliable means to monitor, track and verify the data.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqarchives/year/eqstats.php

Let’s not forget that fact that the great earthquakes are to appear in the “divers places”, per Luke 21:11.

So, still no proof.

3. Hasn't this year been the worst year on record for severe weather in the U.S.? (Source scientificamerican.com)

Hailstorms =/= severe weather in the context you’re using it in. Severe weather can consist of any weather type, be it tornado, hurricane, heat, cold, or rain.

SEVERE WEATHER
Generally, any destructive weather event, but usually applies to localized storms, such as blizzards, intense thunderstorms, or tornadoes.

http://www.weather.com/glossary/s.html

Also, per Rev 16:21, every hailstone would weigh about as much as a talent, and men would blaspheme God due to it.

You’ve provided no evidence of this occurring.

4. Here in Texas we have had one of the worst years for fire outbreaks on record. (Source Texas Forest Service)

Yep. The worst fire outbreaks on record for Texas. A quick google search can show you individual fires that exceeded the 36000 acre estimate the Texas Forest Service gave for all the outbreaks this year. Like this one, http://www.firehouse.com/news/top-he...ws-36000-acres. If that’s not good enough for you, how about all of these? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fires

They even provide proper sources in the Wiki.

So, while there have been a large amount of fires in Texas this year, it’s nothing terribly spectacular when viewed from a historical perspective.

Again, we come to context. Per 2 Peter 3:10, the heavens will melt away with great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. As neither of these occurred, there is no reason to link the Texas fires and “biblical prophesy”.

So, again, no proof found.

5. The record drought along with an increase in Ethanol production has caused food prices to increase throughout the world which is starting to cause more famines. We here in the good ol USA will be seeing famine before too long if this drought does not end. Food prices are already sky rocketing and there is no end in sight. (Source NY Times)

I’m surprised that you’ve not been called out for reaching on this point. I find it hard to believe that ever Christians would agree with this stretch.

fam•ine
noun \ˈfa-mən\
Definition of FAMINE
1 : an extreme scarcity of food
2 archaic : starvation
3 archaic : a ravenous appetite
4 : a great shortage

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/famine

So, there would not be a famine if food prices increase. There would not be a shortage of food just because it becomes more expensive. We would merely be acting irresponsibly, no decreasing the amount of food.

Unless you meant to use starvation as the definition? Yea, that must be it. Except there would be a major problem with that. You see, a famine is defined in the bible. Deut 28: 15, 16, 18, 24. These people were cursed with famine and it is described as a means to make food scarce.

Of course, you could be using the reference to the horseman. In which case he is the third seal and preceded by two other horseman, preventing our ethanol manufacturing and drought from being factors.

Again, no proof.

6. So far the only objects in space that have been hurling towards us, with potentially devastating consequences are CMEs. We have not even hit the peak of the solar cycle yet and we have already seen quit a few, pretty powerful CMEs thrown at us. (Source spaceweather.com)

Wow, we’ve only got ~50 years of even having the capability of reaching space, let alone the wherewithal to actually track debris. So, you want to make a claim that we have a reliable baseline for for how often we have near misses from objects in space?

In regards to the CMEs, we have a satellite that is over 15 years old designed to watch them occur, and it is still functioning. In other words, we have something much smaller and more brittle than our planet that has been getting hit by coronal mass ejections, and it’s still working. Satellite is named WIND.

http://son.nasa.gov/tass/radiowaves/sat_sohocmearch.htm

I can find no references to meteor storms in the bible, at all. Some people however claimed that Job 41:19 and Psalm 21:9 do but they reference burning lamps coming from a behemoth’s mouth and how it will make them as a firey oven, swallow them and fire shall devour them. Not meteor showers.

Again, no proof has been provided.

7. If you haven't heard about all the water wells drying up then you must have your head in the sand. (Source The Texas Water Development Board)

Wait, isn’t Texas right next to a huge water source like, I don’t know, the Gulf of Mexico? Oh, wait, that’s salt water. It’s not like we have desalinization processes that allow us to turn salt water into drinkable water, right?

On a serious not, wells drying up =/= drought. Well dry up after time. It’s a byproduct of how wells are built. They can dry up due to simple mineral buildup. A well “drying up” does not mean there is no more water left in the ground, just that the well no longer provides access to it. A great many wells only have to be redrilled to function again. If that’s not enough, St. Edwards aquifer, in south Texas, water levels have actually risen by 5 inchs in the past month(http://www.saws.org/our_water/aquifer/). Not much of an indication of a lack of water, considering a large region uses the aquifer as a public water source.

Again, I can find no direct sources from the bible indicating that “lack of drinking water” is a sign of the end times. However, assuming it was, your attempt at demonstrating it occurring would still be demonstrably wrong, thereby providing no proof.

So how about that? Hard proof, along with sources stating that an old book has some parrallels with things going on in todays world.

As demonstrated, no proof was given, and your sources were so vague they were useless.

Now this could just all be a coincidence, I will admit to that possibility.

I daresay that we would agree with these events not being coincidence. However, I would deny them being coincidence due to them not corresponding.

[Maddhattter]

It is also up to you to decide on what you believe. I am not one of those people who will scorn you and tell you that you're gonna go to hell if you don't repent and go to church. It's your decision, your life, and that's what is so great about this country. I just don't know how much longer we will be able to make decisions like that on our own. But I respect yours, the least you could do is to respect mine.

You have failed to demonstrate how your tautologies about “biblical truth” deserve any respect. While you and I are free to maintain our beliefs, I would never expect anyone to relinquish their right to mock beliefs that do not have a solid grounding in demonstrable reality.

The fact that I carry no respect for your beliefs has no bearing on whether I have respect for you. I'm not going to pretend that I do, as you've earned none from me. Your belief system, however, has earned nothing but scorn based on your presentation of them.

Sorry that it took three posts, but 1 post of misinformation takes a lot more work to correct than it takes to post. 3 times as much in this case.

[cracker]

Has anyone pointed out that the book is called Revelation, not Revelations. As in the John's Revelation...

Just saying.

[appelingogt]

^^^

No offense, but the End Times are not LOL material.

To the O.P. (also with no offense intended) it's "Book of Revelation", not "Revelations"

u suck at reading...jk

[cracker]

^^^


u suck at reading...jk