Book of Revelations

[racrguy]

And yet u can offer no logical reason or proof that it is not true.

Until you've proven it true, I don't have to prove it not true. I'll try to simplify it for you. When you have an assertion with no evidence that corroborates your assertion it is reasonable and logical to assume that it is not true. True statements are true, and demonstrable, not true statements are not true, and not demonstrable.

Waiting for "The Big Bang Theory" to be trotted out any minute now......

That being the one about how nothing created something out of nothing.

Again you misrepresent yourself and the big bang theory. The big bang theory doesn't touch on where the matter that the universe is comprised of, just how it got to the state it's in right now. You misrepresent yourself because you believe something came from nothing.

[racrguy]

Oh u mean the one where we are the retarded offspring of 5 monkeys having buttsex with a fish squirell on a planet that was created when 2 pieces off dust that magically were somehow already here collided with each other. Yeah I've heard that one.

This post demonstrates that you aren't capable of cognitive thought. Difficult concepts like the existence/nonexistence of god, the origins of the universe, or anything that requires thought are well beyond your comprehension level.

[sc281]

Waiting for "The Big Bang Theory" to be trotted out any minute now......

That being the one about how nothing created something out of nothing.

Theory being the operative word.

The Big Bang Theory is nothing more than the observations of effect (The Universe) and a guess about the cause.

The Big Bang Theory cannot be proven to a certainty. No scientist makes that assertion.

Even such "laws" as the Laws of Thermodynamics, are constantly being tested to find out if they are flawed. Einstein's Theory of Relativity, even after constant unsuccessful testing to disprove it, is still considered a just a "Theory", and can be overturned at any time with evidence to the contrary.

Religion is nothing more than the observations of effect (The Universe) and and a guess about the cause.

You speak as if Religion is and absolute fact when you cannot prove what you say. It is a belief, and portraying it as anything more than belief is folly.

[racrguy]

Theory being the operative word.

The Big Bang Theory is nothing more than the observations of effect (The Universe) and a guess about the cause.

The Big Bang Theory cannot be proven to a certainty. No scientist makes that assertion.

Even such "laws" as the Laws of Thermodynamics, are constantly being tested to find out if they are flawed. Einstein's Theory of Relativity, even after constant unsuccessful testing to disprove it, is still considered a just a "Theory", and can be overturned at any time with evidence to the contrary.

Religion is nothing more than the observations of effect (The Universe) and and a guess about the cause.

You speak as if Religion is and absolute fact when you cannot prove what you say. It is a belief, and portraying it as anything more than belief is folly.

Except the big bang theory has been proven. You confuse hypothesis and theory. In laymans terms I will agree with you that theory means idea, but since we're talking about a scientific concept the a theory has been proven, whereas a hypothesis has not.

[The King]

Again you misrepresent yourself and the big bang theory. The big bang theory doesn't touch on where the matter that the universe is comprised of, just how it got to the state it's in right now. You misrepresent yourself because you believe something came from nothing.

Again you cannot pose a effective counter-argument. The Big Bang theory does indeed touch upon from whence the matter that the universe is comprised of came, that being the blind acceptance that one moment there was nothing, and the next there was a "singularity" that magically appeared from this nothing.

You misrepresent yourself by accepting that your beliefs are universal fact.

[BERNIE MOSFET]

Again you cannot pose a effective counter-argument. The Big Bang theory does indeed touch upon from whence the matter that the universe is comprised of came, that being the blind acceptance that one moment there was nothing, and the next there was a "singularity" that magically appeared from this nothing.

You misrepresent yourself by accepting that your beliefs are universal fact.

The big bang theory is not in itself metaphysical. You can't ascribe that to the theory any more than atheists can.

[Denny]

Except the big bang theory has been proven. You confuse hypothesis and theory. In laymans terms I will agree with you that theory means idea, but since we're talking about a scientific concept the a theory has been proven, whereas a hypothesis has not.

You're slippin' and/or lying.

Sorry, you're the suck today.

[jasonw_2005]

You're slippin' and/or lying.

Sorry, you're the suck today.

Thank u Denny

[sc281]

Except the big bang theory has been proven. You confuse hypothesis and theory. In laymans terms I will agree with you that theory means idea, but since we're talking about a scientific concept the a theory has been proven, whereas a hypothesis has not.

Um, no.


the·o·ry  /ˈθiəri, ˈθɪəri/ Show Spelled[thee-uh-ree, theer-ee] Show IPAnoun,pluralthe·o·ries

2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, incontrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.

[Up0n0ne]

You're slippin' and/or lying.

Sorry, you're the suck today.

^^ This! And still waiting for something to just appear from nothing yet produce everything.

[Denny]

My theory is that this thread will have just as much fails as turns.

[The King]

The big bang theory is not in itself metaphysical. You can't ascribe that to the theory any more than atheists can.

It does however first require acceptance that the singularity which started the Big Bang simply "appeared", which in itself is a belief.

[BERNIE MOSFET]

You're slippin' and/or lying.

Sorry, you're the suck today.

I'd disagree. Scientific laws are like axioms, and very limited in application - Newton's laws, Maxwell's equations, thermodynamic laws, etc... The scientific community rarely describes anything in such absolutes, but prefers postulates developed from the combination of observation and accepted scientific laws - hence the ever present term "theory".

Would anyone deny the existence of gravity? It's pretty widely accepted; perceivable, demonstrable. Yet it is still only a theory in scientific terms.

We've achieved a technological ability to also observe the expansion of the known universe. We know without a doubt that it is expanding, and that's what the big bang theory boils down to.

[BERNIE MOSFET]

It does however first require acceptance that the singularity which started the Big Bang simply "appeared", which in itself is a belief.

Only if you believe that the beginning of all existence and time also started at that singularity, or if you look for purpose in it. I personally don't see it as anything but the beginning of the observable expansion of the universe.

It's admittedly a nice starting point for metaphysical conversation, and so I'd guess that's why it comes up so often. I've never been able to absolutely stand by atheism because I can't find a reason why anything exists at all. It's a big hole in my psyche, same as anyone, except I don't fill it with any particular belief or religion.

[talisman]

Reading this thread makes me want to drink heavily.