I don't like Romney.

[CJ]

Is Paul anti-Israel? We need to always back Israel, but also don't need to hold their hand.

I didn't say he was anti-israel. I'm saying he contradicts Israel's best interests.

[noshine4mine]

Where is the correlation of not giving Israel any more money and suddenly abandoning friendship? Are we only allowed to support Israel with money?
We can accomplish status quo stability in the region and not give Israel money.

What is being said is once Ron Paul gets elected he will remove all foreign aid essentially telling Israel to fuck off you are on your own we won't help you EVAR....BULLSHIT.

[CJ]

Where is the correlation of not giving Israel any more money and suddenly abandoning friendship? Are we only allowed to support Israel with money?
We can accomplish status quo stability in the region and not give Israel money.

What is being said is once Ron Paul gets elected he will remove all foreign aid essentially telling Israel to fuck off you are on your own we won't help you EVAR....BULLSHIT.

You really don't read shit it seems. What I'm saying is he has no qualms with allowing Iran to develop nuclear weapons. Iran wants to nuke Israel. They've said it countless times. Unless you're of the opinion we should first wait for them to nuke Israel to see if they're serious about nuking Israel, you should understand the significance. Money has never been mentioned in any of my posts.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

My opinion is that this economic crisis cannot be fixed. Our overspending and massive debt accumulation has done us in. Now, the Fed can take measures to slow the collapse through controlled money supplied growth, but think of this as life support. If you stop injecting money and end the near-zero rates, it is like pulling the plug on granny. All this is doing is keeping the fluids going and air flowing. The bad part is that the longer this is carried out, the worse the rest will be. I've already extinguished the word, "recovery." The reason this is still being carried out is because those in control (that caused this in the first place) are capitalizing from this, earning more than ever in the history of mankind.

Now some people believe that the "fix" is to just end this charade and get a reset over with.

And don't worry about everyone else's take on it, I'm sure they'll be chiming in shorty after I hit "submit."

Sigh... sadly, I think I agree. Something I've been thinking since all this started... accumulating. I don't even know a fraction of what you do about all this and I still feel that way. You just can't survive this kind of debt. Combine that with the stupidity and the greed, and it can't end in any other way than collapse. But if that is what is to be, then I only really want one thing. Justice. If we fall, then I want all those responsible to be put to death. I don't have to worry about the stupid jerkoffs who didn't bother to get out and vote, cause they'll get theirs for certain along with everyone else who didn't deserve it. But the actual culprits who caused the problems, who have a change of escaping due to their means. I hope they're lynchmobbed.

[CJ]

As I've said before, I have 100% faith and I feel Ron Paul is the best choice for domestic issues, he is right the fuck on with all those issues. His foreign policy has always been what kills him. It killed his last two runs, it WILL kill this one. For all the Ron Paul supporters, if he is your only plan - you're not going to be of much use getting Obama out of office.

[Up0n0ne]

You strike me as the typical crazy ass Ron Paul supporter.

And what would your definition of this be?

Paul is the premier advocate for liberty and a true constitutionalist. The 2 things that are being constantly attacked and stipped from the American people each day.

Paul wants to End The Fed. Which is privately owned yet has a seal that resembles a govt. seal. Also the main reason for the economic collapse.

THE FED: DISHONEST, IMMORAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL
There is no greater threat to the security and prosperity of the United States today than the out-of-control, secretive Federal Reserve.

[noshine4mine]

Because ballistic missles are easy to make and Israel would never notice someone approaching the border. The day Iran has something threatening to Israel, Israel will take care of its own problem.

BTW when I want an opinion for Israel's well being I won't ask some nut job from arlington I will ask an Israeli citizen.

You really don't read shit it seems. What I'm saying is he has no qualms with allowing Iran to develop nuclear weapons. Iran wants to nuke Israel. They've said it countless times. Unless you're of the opinion we should first wait for them to nuke Israel to see if they're serious about nuking Israel, you should understand the significance. Money has never been mentioned in any of my posts.

[CJ]

And what would your definition of this be?

Paul is the premier advocate for liberty and a true constitutionalist. The 2 things that are being constantly attacked and stipped from the American people each day.

Paul wants to End The Fed. Which is privately owned yet has a seal that resembles a govt. seal. Also the main reason for the economic collapse.

I have no problem with any of that, I am 100% for the constitution. It's just I've found 95% of Ron Paul supporters are very bad at explaining their position, and usually do not have a good understanding of politics, and are completely militant/poorly representing themselves with their actions in discussions. Usually they come off as wackos.

[CJ]

Because ballistic missles are easy to make and Israel would never notice someone approaching the border. The day Iran has something threatening to Israel, Israel will take care of its own problem.

BTW when I want an opinion for Israel's well being I won't ask some nut job from arlington I will ask an Israeli citizen.

WTF are you talking about? Do you actually think they would drive a fucking scud truck to the border and fire it? For fucks sake they are firing satellites into orbit! You're an idiot. Before you approach someone from Israel, you should probably understand what you're talking about. Iran has had cold war era nuclear delivery systems since the 60's, and their enrichment program has been capable of weapon grade material for months.

[jw33]

Would it be a fair statement to infer that this reasoning would leave us with a general policy that no matter what happens and no matter who gets into office as long as Israel is taken care of and told when to speak and when to make a move everything will be fine? I'm really just trying to get a clear idea on how high this should be on our priority list and at what point, if ever, we may say, "You know, we might have to compromise and fix 98.999% of the other shit that's destroying our country from within and dial back that FP (that has been working so well) for a bit."

[CJ]

Would it be a fair statement to infer that this reasoning would leave us with a general policy that no matter what happens and no matter who gets into office as long as Israel is taken care of and told when to speak and when to make a move everything will be fine? I'm really just trying to get a clear idea on how high this should be on our priority list and at what point, if ever, we may say, "You know, we might have to compromise and fix 98.999% of the other shit that's destroying our country from within and dial back that FP (that has been working so well) for a bit."

Doesn't matter what you argue, Ron Paul's foreign policy is DOA. As for the idea Israel does what we tell them, they don't. They've taken the initiative many times in the past, without our approval. Some could argue it was secret approval, but nonetheless, you can't make a case either way. Israel is high on the priority list, if it wasn't Ron Paul wouldn't have lost the last 2 bids. I love the guy, I just know his foreign policy kills him. His foreign policy really aggravates me because if it wasn't for that, he would be our president, and I would love it.

[jw33]

Doesn't matter what you argue, Ron Paul's foreign policy is DOA. As for the idea Israel does what we tell them, they don't. They've taken the initiative many times in the past, without our approval. Some could argue it was secret approval, but nonetheless, you can't make a case either way. Israel is high on the priority list, if it wasn't Ron Paul wouldn't have lost the last 2 bids. I love the guy, I just know his foreign policy kills him. His foreign policy really aggravates me because if it wasn't for that, he would be our president, and I would love it.

I'm going to quote your own words below so don't get upset.

I know a fucking shitload about Israeli history, I studied it for years. I'm quite versed in their ability.

To summarize this as simple as possible. They keep our enemies in check. They are our henchman in the middle east. Shit needs to get bombed, we send them and attack via proxy. Without Israel, all of the middle east would be more unified against the west, with very little concern about repercussions. A lot of the intelligence we gather in the middle east is aided by Israel. They also develop excellent avionics technology and other weapon technology that benefits us.

I'd like to add that I do believe you're partially correct. There is no doubt Ron Paul ruffles feathers with his foreign policy and that contributed to him not getting the nomination in '08. However the laughter and booing towards Ron Paul with all this federal reserve, patriot act, sound money, small government, and liberty nonsense in '07/'08 were just as responsible. Many of those same people are not laughing anymore. I think the more accurate or broad reason Ron Paul was not taken as seriously in the past is because honestly thing weren't fucked up enough. I won’t touch the media bias portion.

And like I'm attempting to convey in my previous post regarding Israel is, how fucked up are we going to let it get right here? And who, if not Ron Paul this time, will be there to do what is necessary to make the corrections? I'd love to have it both ways. Let's save the world and ourselves at the same time and sing a song the entire time. I'm afraid it's coming to a point where we as a country are going to have to decide what we are going to focus on. If it's Israel's well being come hell or high water and going to war with iran right now will solve everything then I'm going to need a better sales pitch to sign up for that.

[CJ]

I'm going to quote your own words below so don't get upset.





I'd like to add that I do believe you're partially correct. There is no doubt Ron Paul ruffles feathers with his foreign policy and that contributed to him not getting the nomination in '08. However most people were laughing at Ron Paul with all this federal reserve, patriot act, sound money, small government, and liberty nonsense in '07/'08 were just as responsible. Many of those same people are not laughing anymore. I think the more accurate or broad reason Ron Paul was not taken as seriously in the past is because honestly thing weren't fucked up enough. I won’t touch the media bias portion.

And like I'm attempting to convey in my previous post regarding Israel is, how fucked up are we going to let it get right here? And who, if not Ron Paul this time, will be there to do what is necessary to make the corrections? I'd love to have it both ways. Let's save the world and ourselves at the same time and sing a song the entire time. I'm afraid it's coming to a point where we as a country are going to have to decide what we are going to focus on. If it's Israel's well being come hell or high water and going to war with iran right now will solve everything then I'm going to need a better sales pitch to sign up for that.

It isn't Israel as much as it is Iran. It's really the middle east a whole, and his thoughts there. The general consensus is he is an isolationist. People like what he has to say, but they feel he is unrealistic because of his foreign policy. More of an idealist than a realist. You don't have the convince me, you have to convince the voters, and he isn't doing that. It's quite possible that his previous failed campaigns only compound his problem by subtracting from his legitimacy. I like him, I'd vote for him if I think he could get elected, because honestly I do not think he would actually abandon Israel when it really came down to it. It's also worth mentioning that even if he was elected, who knows what he could actually accomplish. His success would be directly tied to how many democrat senators we replace with tea party members in the '12 election.

[Denny]

OK, guys. I need some help here. Can one of you guys that are well-versed in the ways of Cain explain to me Cain's position on the Federal Reserve's purchases of it's own debt? I know Benjamin Benanke said that the Fed would not do it when he was in front of a Congressional panel, yet it seems to be STILL going on.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fed-official-says-more-bond-apf-822444678.html?x=0

[Up0n0ne]

Cain's a good liar, and many neo-cons fall for his lies. Oh and you still have the white guilt so for them it's a win win.