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    I have been thinking that the gov would eventually implement regulations on RC aircraft, and I bet this might push it over the edge.

    BOSTON (AP) — A man was arrested Wednesday and accused of plotting an assault on the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol using remote-controlled aircraft armed with explosives — the latest of several terrorism cases to spring from federal sting operations.

    Rezwan Ferdaus was arrested in Framingham, Massachusetts, after undercover federal agents delivered materials he had allegedly requested, including grenades, six machine guns and what he believed was 24 pounds of C-4 explosive. Federal officials said the public was never in danger from the explosives, which it said were always under control and closely monitored.

    Wednesday's arrest was similar to other cases in which reputed would-be terrorists were caught in sting operations that revolved around fictional plots against various targets, such as Dallas skyscapers or a Chicago nightclub. In this case, though, authorities say Ferdaus planned the scheme.

    According to a federal affidavit, Ferdaus, 26, of Ashland, became convinced America was evil through jihadi websites and videos, and began planning "jihad" against the U.S. in early 2010. He contacted a federal informant that December and months later, allegedly began meeting to discuss the plot with undercover federal agents he believed were members of al-Qaida.

    Ferdaus said he wanted to deal a psychological blow to the "enemies of Allah" by hitting the Pentagon, which he called "head and heart of the snake," according to the affidavit.

    "Allah has given us the privilege," he allegedly told the informant. "... He punishes them by our hand. We're the ones."

    Ferdaus, a U.S. citizen who graduated from Northeastern University with a bachelor's degree in physics, made a brief initial appearance Wednesday in federal court on charges of attempting to destroy federal buildings and providing support to a foreign terrorist organization, in this case al-Qaida. A detention hearing was scheduled for Monday.

    Telephone messages were left at the office of his attorney, Catherine Byrne, and at the address listed for Ferdaus in the affidavit.

    Several alleged domestic plots have been thwarted since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, including in Lackawanna, New York; Portland, Oregon; and Virginia.

    Terrorism arrests involving federal stings have often been followed by claims of entrapment, but none of the cases brought since Sept. 11 has been thrown out by a court on such grounds.

    U.S. Rep. William Keating of Massachusetts, a member of the Homeland Security Committee, said lawmakers have been warned for months of an emerging threat from homegrown extremists. He said al- Qaida is casting a wide net to radicalize individuals or small groups already in the country because of the significant advantages.

    "They're already here, so they don't have the hurdles of getting into the country, they know the country better. ... They know how to move around," Keating said. "The testimony we heard, things like this (the Ferdaus arrest) were inevitable."

    Ferdaus is accused of planning to use three remote control airplanes measuring up to 80 inches (200 centimeters) in length. Ferdaus allegedly planned to pack five pounds (2.27 kilograms) of explosives in each plane, while saving some of it to blow up bridges near the Pentagon.

    The planes, guided by GPS and capable of speeds greater than 100 mph (160 kph), would hit the Pentagon and blow the Capitol dome to "smithereens," according to Ferdaus' plan, detailed in the affidavit. Ferdaus then planned a follow-up automatic weapons attack with six people divided into two teams, according to the affidavit.

    At one point, according to recorded conversation detailed in the affidavit, Ferdaus told undercover agents that his desire to attack the United States was so strong, "I just can't stop. There is no other choice for me."

    According to the affidavit, Ferdaus traveled to Washington in June to do surveillance, and drew up a 15-phase attack plan. He also allegedly rented storage space to work on the planes in Framingham, telling the manager he planned to use the space for music.

    Asked at one point about possibly killing women and children, Ferdaus allegedly said all unbelievers of Islam were his enemies.

    Prosecutors also accuse Ferdaus of supplying the undercover agents with mobile phone devices he said could be used to remotely detonate explosives. When the undercover agents falsely told him the devices had been used to kill three U.S. soldiers in Iraq, he allegedly became visibly excited and said he felt "incredible. ... We're changing the world."

    Rezwan is unmarried and has no children, the affidavit said.

    He had at least one previous brush with the law. In 2003, The Boston Globe reported that he and two other Ashland High School seniors were accused in a vandalism spree at the school.
    Stevo
    Originally posted by SSMAN
    ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

  • #2
    A 26 y/o used the word "smithereens" ??? What a faggot.
    US Politics in three words - Divide and Conquer

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    • #3
      It won't be long.
      Originally posted by racrguy
      What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
      Originally posted by racrguy
      Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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      • #4
        I don't know. You'd have to have a pretty badass setup to actually complete a terrorist act without getting caught. I mean I guess you could do it, but what you'd need is not what you're going to find in any hobbyist shop. I take it that if the terrorists are thinking of using RC aircraft, then they don't want to be caught, right? Well in order to have that work where no one would see you (a key ingredient in not being caught) you're going to need a camera on the plane submitting video feedback to some screen that you're monitoring. Otherwise you ain't going to be able to see the plane.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by StanleyTweedle View Post
          I don't know. You'd have to have a pretty badass setup to actually complete a terrorist act without getting caught. I mean I guess you could do it, but what you'd need is not what you're going to find in any hobbyist shop. I take it that if the terrorists are thinking of using RC aircraft, then they don't want to be caught, right? Well in order to have that work where no one would see you (a key ingredient in not being caught) you're going to need a camera on the plane submitting video feedback to some screen that you're monitoring. Otherwise you ain't going to be able to see the plane.
          All of this is relatively cheap. I have a plane built from a $100 kit in my roof that would carry 5 extra pounds easily. The new fly-by-cam setups are around $300 at the most. I have seen videos of guys flying planes into the clouds with them, at least 3 miles away. Using a radio that is capable of controlling the plane 5 miles away. All of this from the local hobby store, and probably all in stock.



          This guy in the second video says his has a 6000m ceiling, I imagine the horizontal range would be close.



          Stevo
          Originally posted by SSMAN
          ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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          • #6
            Well I guess they've come a long way since my days of messing around with them.

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            • #7
              Simple solution? A system that shuts down cell phones and radio frequencies on popular freqs for 500 feet around the pentagon
              I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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              • #8
                And the banter starts...

                Could model airplanes become a terrorist weapon?

                BOSTON (AP) — Model airplanes are suddenly on the public's radar as potential terrorist weapons.

                A 26-year-old man from a Boston suburb was arrested Wednesday and accused of plotting to attack the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol with remote-controlled model planes packed with explosives.

                These are not balsa-wood-and-rubber-band toys investigators are talking about. The FBI said Rezwan Ferdaus hoped to use military-jet replicas, 5 to 7 1/2 feet long, guided by GPS devices and capable of speeds over 100 mph.

                Federal officials have long been aware of the possibility someone might try to use such planes as weapons, but there are no restrictions on their purchase — Ferdaus is said to have bought his over the Internet.

                Counterterrorism experts and model-aircraft hobbyists said it would be nearly impossible to inflict large-scale damage of the sort Ferdaus allegedly envisioned using model planes. The aircraft are too small, can't carry enough explosives and are too tricky to fly, they said.

                "The idea of pushing a button and this thing diving into the Pentagon is kind of a joke, actually," said Greg Hahn, technical director of the Academy of Model Aeronautics.

                Rick Nelson, a former Navy helicopter pilot who is now a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said Ferdaus would have had to hit a window or other vulnerable area to maximize damage, and that would have taken precision flying.

                "Flying a remote-controlled plane isn't as easy as it actually looks, and then to put an explosive on it and have that explosive detonate at the time and place that you want it add to the difficulty of actually doing it," he said.

                Ferdaus, a Muslim American from Ashland, was arrested after federal agents posing as al-Qaida members delivered what he believed was 24 pounds of C-4 explosive, authorities said. He was charged with attempting to damage or destroy a federal building with explosives. A federal affidavit claims he began planning "jihad" against the U.S. in early 2010 after becoming convinced through jihadi websites and videos that America was evil.

                Ferdaus had a physics degree from Northeastern University and enjoyed "taking stuff apart" and "learning on my own," according to court papers.

                The model planes Ferdaus eyed were the F-4 Phantom and the F-86 Sabre, small-scale versions of military jets, investigators said. The F-4 is the more expensive of the two, at up to $20,000, Hahn said. The F-86, one of which Ferdaus actually obtained, costs $6,000 to $10,000 new.

                Ferdaus' plan, as alleged in court papers, was to launch three such planes from a park near the Pentagon and Capitol and use GPS to direct them toward the buildings, where they would detonate on impact and blow the Capitol dome to "smithereens." He planned to pack five pounds of plastic explosives on each plane, according to prosecutors.

                James Crippin, an explosives and anti-terrorism expert, said that much C-4 could do serious damage — a half-pound will obliterate a car. But he said getting a stable explosive like C-4 to blow up at the right time would have been hugely difficult.

                And there were slim prospects of causing any serious damage to buildings like the Pentagon and Capitol, which are undoubtedly hardened to withstand explosions, according to Crippin, director of the Western Forensic Law Enforcement Training Center.

                "Basically, I think he's suffering from delusions of grandeur," he said.

                Hahn said the heavier of the two models Ferdaus was allegedly planning to use could carry a maximum of two pounds of plastic explosive before malfunctioning. That's not including the weight of any GPS system, he added.

                "It's almost impossible for him to get this done," he said.

                Remote-controlled aircraft have been considered by terrorists before. In 2008, Christopher Paul of Worthington, Ohio, a Columbus suburb, pleaded guilty to plotting terrorist attacks in the U.S. and Europe using explosive devices. Prosecutors said he researched remote-controlled boats and a remote-controlled 5-foot-long helicopter.

                And after Sept. 11, federal agents asked the Academy of Model Aeronautics' 143,000 members to watch for any fellow enthusiasts who might be buying planes with bad intentions.

                Well before the Massachusetts arrest, police in Montgomery County, Md., put out a terrorist warning to hobby shops to be aware of customers "who don't appear to be hobbyists" buying model airplanes with cash and asking how they can be modified to carry a device.

                The Federal Aviation Administration is devising new rules for model airplanes and other unmanned aircraft, but the restrictions are aimed primarily at preventing collisions. Under current FAA rules, such planes are generally limited to flying below 400 feet and away from airports and air traffic.

                Massachusetts prosecutor Gerry Leone, who handled the prosecution of would-be shoe bomber Richard Reid, said terrorists are always building bombs out of common, legitimate items, and imposing restrictions on buying model aircraft would not make sense simply because of this one case.

                But he said law enforcement might want be more vigilant about such purchases.

                Similarly, Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, said recent advances in model airplane technology could make them more attractive to terrorists. But he said the answer is better intelligence, not trying to regulate hobbyists and their toys.

                "Kids have them, people fly them, groups are organized just to engage in this type of pastime activity," the congressman said. "It would be almost impossible to regulate the little engines and things, propellers."
                Originally posted by SSMAN
                ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                  Simple solution? A system that shuts down cell phones and radio frequencies on popular freqs for 500 feet around the pentagon
                  Fly a RC 500+ feet above the pentagon and go straight down.

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                  • #10
                    Somebody's been playing Grand Theft Auto.
                    Originally posted by Broncojohnny
                    HOORAY ME and FUCK YOU!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                      Simple solution? A system that shuts down cell phones and radio frequencies on popular freqs for 500 feet around the pentagon
                      tax payer waste on said project 10 million.

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                      • #12
                        What if you made Muslims assimilate rather then tolerance that might help too. Oh crap is that too edgy?? ;-)

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                        • #13
                          Can't fly R/C airplanes while Obama in town Tuesday..............!

                          A new FDC NOTAM/TFR has been issued for the greater Dallas / Fort Worth, TX metropolitan area for Tuesday, 10/4 from 10:45a until 4:30p CDT. The TFR is issued for security purposes to cover VIP movement in this area. Outdoor model aircraft operations are prohibited within the 30nm circle for the specific times listed below. Please note that TFRs are subject to change with very short notice. Check back often for the most current NOTAM/TFR information.

                          Timely alerts are also available on the web at:

                          The Academy of Model Aeronautics is a nonprofit community of enthusiasts who come together to celebrate model aviation.


                          or on your cell phone at: Twitter.com/amagov.

                          See the link to the TFR below for more detailed information regarding the restrictions.

                          Area 1 (10/4, 10:45a – 4:30p CDT)
                          (30nm radius from Latitude: 32º49’15”N, Longitude: 96º45'21"W)
                          Area 2 (10/4, 10:45a – 4:30p CDT)
                          (13nm radius from Latitude: 32º49’15”N, Longitude: 96º45'21"W)
                          TFR - 1/4384

                          Map View the the Affected Area

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RWhite View Post
                            Can't fly R/C airplanes while Obama in town Tuesday..............!

                            A new FDC NOTAM/TFR has been issued for the greater Dallas / Fort Worth, TX metropolitan area for Tuesday, 10/4 from 10:45a until 4:30p CDT. The TFR is issued for security purposes to cover VIP movement in this area. Outdoor model aircraft operations are prohibited within the 30nm circle for the specific times listed below. Please note that TFRs are subject to change with very short notice. Check back often for the most current NOTAM/TFR information.

                            Timely alerts are also available on the web at:

                            The Academy of Model Aeronautics is a nonprofit community of enthusiasts who come together to celebrate model aviation.


                            or on your cell phone at: Twitter.com/amagov.

                            See the link to the TFR below for more detailed information regarding the restrictions.

                            Area 1 (10/4, 10:45a – 4:30p CDT)
                            (30nm radius from Latitude: 32º49’15”N, Longitude: 96º45'21"W)
                            Area 2 (10/4, 10:45a – 4:30p CDT)
                            (13nm radius from Latitude: 32º49’15”N, Longitude: 96º45'21"W)
                            TFR - 1/4384

                            Map View the the Affected Area

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                            What a fucking joke.
                            Originally posted by racrguy
                            What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                            Originally posted by racrguy
                            Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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                            • #15
                              Im going to be there with a paper plane that has a thorn with horny toad poison on the tip!
                              Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
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