2 Million people about to loose unemployment checks

[Vertnut]

I hope it gets cut off. I sympathize with people in this economy but people need to be forced to get to work.

I realize some people are really hurting, but I have an acquaintance that got laid off and just took a year off. His whole attitude was "I've been paying in all these years, and now I'm going to play golf". He took his "free" check, and did some side-work for cash. His lifestyle never changed. It just pissed me off.

[Avery'sDad]

Or was just an ass in the office, playing Grammar Police all the time. No one wants to work with a punk.

LOL. I'm only an ass online. Don't want to get fired.

[Broncojohnny]

I realize some people are really hurting, but I have an acquaintance that got laid off and just took a year off. His whole attitude was "I've been paying in all these years, and now I'm going to play golf". He took his "free" check, and did some side-work for cash. His lifestyle never changed. It just pissed me off.

Anyone who is hurting has had ample time to take action. You have to be cut off the teet sometime.

[Hollywood]

where are 2 million people going to find 2 million jobs at?

[jdgregory84]

Two years? Damn. What a sweet vacation.

[Denny]

where are 2 million people going to find 2 million jobs at?

Well, they'll still be unemployed, so it's not like it's a new problem. The question you're asking, however, hasn't been addressed with the urgency it has needed all this time BECAUSE of the neverending benefits. Sounds like we're finally on track to address this issue, though.

[TexasDevilDog]

Or was just an ass in the office, playing Grammar Police all the time. No one wants to work with a punk.

Or posting from an Iphone under the table while pretending to give a damn in a engineering meeting can be a bitch.

[Vertnut]

Or posting from an Iphone under the table while pretending to give a damn in a engineering meeting can be a bitch.

LOL! So true.

[Sgt Beavis]

I think this explains a lot....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39693099/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/

You know the economy has become truly screwy when it pays more to collect jobless benefits than to get an actual job.

The economy is so weak and jobs are so scarce that some people are finding that it isn’t worth it to work. These workers say that’s because the only jobs available are part-time or low-wage gigs that would not only be a big step down from their previous careers but also would not even pay enough to cover their expenses.

About 8 million people are now collecting some form of unemployment aid, but how much they take home varies widely depending on what state they live in and how much they made previously. In Massachusetts, for example, the maximum benefit is $943 per week, including an allowance for dependents, while in Mississippi it is just $235 a week.

In August, the average weekly benefit was $293.54, according to U.S. Department of Labor. On average, unemployment pays about 47 percent of what people were making before they lost their jobs, according to the department's latest data from 2009.

James Davis, 34, made more than $30 an hour as a unionized construction worker specializing in commercial framing before he was laid off in June 2009. He expected to find a similar job within a few months, but the construction industry was tanking and he could not find anyone hiring journeymen like himself, he said.

“It was the worst time,” he recalled.

The only job openings he found paid around $10 an hour. That’s much less than the $15 an hour, or about $600 a week, he collects on unemployment in Washington state, and not enough to keep up with his family’s expenses.

“If I took home way less money it wouldn’t be beneficial for me,” he said.

Instead, Davis, who lives in Puyallup, Wash., has opted to go back to school to become a vehicle mechanic. While in school, he is allowed to continue collecting unemployment benefits for up to six months.

Even if a job in construction were to come up now, Davis is not sure he would give up on his mechanic training. That’s partly because last June, he did land a good job back in his old field, only to be laid off again five weeks later. He worries the same thing would happen again.

“I've got to wonder how long it’s going to last,” he said.

There's no hard data on how many people are turning away work because it pays less than unemployment. The general rule for people collecting unemployment is that they must be actively looking for work.

Andrew Stettner, deputy director of the National Employment Law Project, a worker advocacy group, said unemployed workers also could lose their benefits if they decline a suitable position that is reasonably fitted to the person’s skills and experience. But specifics vary by state and those criteria aren't necessarily tied to how much that position pays.

In Washington state, where Davis lives, workers are not required to take a job that pays less than their unemployment benefit, said Sheryl Hutchison, communications director for the state Employment Security Department.

Laid-off workers are generally entitled to a maximum of 26 weeks of unemployment pay through their state, and federal extensions mean some workers can collect up to 99 weeks of payouts. With the jobless rate hovering near 10 percent, it now takes jobseekers about 33 weeks, on average, to find a new job.

The bill collector's tale
Those long job searches have prompted some to take jobs that pay even less than their unemployment benefits, although it hasn't always worked out well.

After Robert Nasuti was laid off as a technology consultant in March 2009, he spent more than a year looking for work in his field. Although the Myerstown, Pa., resident, was making ends meet on his unemployment benefits, he hated not working.

“The wear and tear of being at home, having nothing to do every day, nowhere to go, that’s what really started to wear on me,” he said. “I like to work.”

That’s how he ended up taking a low-paying temporary job as a bill collector for student loans.

“I thought it would be the responsible thing to do,” he said.

He quit after working just one week. He said he was asked to call grandparents who had co-signed student loans and threaten to withhold Social Security payments if they didn’t pay up, he said.

Quitting left him ineligible for unemployment pay. These days, the 26-year-old is working 20 hours a week, for $8 an hour, at a drugstore. He’s living rent-free at his dad’s house but still barely scrapes by.

He now wishes he’d stayed on unemployment and had never taken the bill collector job.

“I regret it every day. It was like a chance that I took, and I thought it was a good route to take, and it just blew up in my face completely,” he said.

With so much competition for so few jobs, many jobseekers are finding that they have to accept some drop from their pre-layoff salary to get back to work. In August, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released a study of displaced workers who had lost a job between 2007 and 2009 that they had held for three or more years. The study found that 36 percent of those who found new work took a pay

“Most people on (unemployment insurance) aren’t there because they are unwilling to take jobs that pay less than UI,” Heidi Shierholz, an economist with the Economic Policy Institute, wrote in an e-mail. “They’re there because they can’t find jobs, period.”

After seeing firsthand how bad it is out there, some jobseekers say they’ve opted to take work that pays less than unemployment because it seemed more secure than counting on something better to come along.

Christopher Trimm, 46, had just exhausted his initial 26 weeks of benefits when he accepted a security guard job that paid $11 an hour. That’s slightly less than the $12 an hour he was making on unemployment in California and half his previous pay as a 411 operator for a phone company.

Trimm, who lives in the Los Angeles area, is now making $10 an hour in a different security job; he agreed to the wage reduction in exchange for a regular, full-time schedule with weekends off.

After watching his wife go through a job loss and difficult job search, and then spending six months looking for work himself, Trimm said he felt he couldn’t risk turning a job down, even if the pay was lower than his benefits.

He also worried that the growing gap in his resume would make it harder to get work.

“Ethically speaking, I’m a worker, you know,” he said. “I owed it to the people of the state of California not to be living off of their dime.”

[YALE]

As a taxpayer, I'd rather pay people unemployment than own AIG, or bail out any big businesses.

EDIT: Big fucking shock Massachusets has the highest unemployment payout.

[Denny]

Ya, Mass is $943 a week with an additional $25 for each minor dependant. Funny thing is that if you can prove you've been laid off in multiple states, you're eligible for pulling a check from there. I know this from some of the union plumbers that worked for me in the past.

[Broncojohnny]

That article just illustrates the ugly truth of it which is that eventually you have to take a shot to the nuts and then try to get up out of the gutter. I do find it amusing that the unionized construction worker thought he was going to get another job for $30 an hour.

[Hollywood]

not only are these 2 million people not going to have income, but these 2 million people are also going to stop paying their bills and thats going to drag the entire economy down.

face the facts there are not enough jobs in this country to cover all americans, we are going to have to learn to live with 10% unemployment

[Vertnut]

not only are these 2 million people not going to have income, but these 2 million people are also going to stop paying their bills and thats going to drag the entire economy down.

face the facts there are not enough jobs in this country to cover all americans, we are going to have to learn to live with 10% unemployment

I believe that Barry's new "standard" will be about 9.5%.

[Lason]

not only are these 2 million people not going to have income, but these 2 million people are also going to stop paying their bills and thats going to drag the entire economy down.

face the facts there are not enough jobs in this country to cover all americans, we are going to have to learn to live with 10% unemployment

I usually share the same thought process you do but its been long enough. Because some of the people collecting unemployment have no plans to find work then the ones that are trying will be punished. Is it fair? No, but thats life. It would be alot easier to support 750k people on unemployment but because alot arent even trying, its becoming a huge financial burden on the rest of us.

That being said, in a society that spoonfeeds the needy I cant say I blame those people. Why get a gig at mcdonalds when the unemployment check is so much more. I know its not right but stupid isnt the word I would use to describe them.