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  • Big-Name Stocks Cheaper Than During 2008-09 Crisis

    This is all horseshit, it is better to sit in gold at an all time high or hell, buy more gold, if you want to get rich....



    Big-Name Stocks Cheaper Than During 2008-09 Crisis
    Published: Wednesday, 31 Aug 2011 | 7:23 PM ET
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    By: Reuters

    One out of every 10 companies in the S&P 500 index — including stalwarts like Apple and JPMorgan Chase — is now cheaper than during the 2008-2009 market meltdown.

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    Even as S&P 500 earnings soar past Wall Street estimates quarter after quarter, the lack of investor confidence has dropped the forward price-to-earnings ratio of at least 50 of the largest U.S. companies below their crisis lows, according to a screen of Thomson Reuters data.

    Investors are now willing to risk less cash for every $1 in earnings they expect to rake in for upcoming quarters than they were in 2008 or 2009.

    The companies in question are not exactly obscure. Besides Apple [AAPL 385.91 1.08 (+0.28%) ] and JPMorgan Chase [JPM 37.44 -0.12 (-0.32%) ], others on the list include Microsoft [MSFT 26.6499 0.0499 (+0.19%) ] and Wal-Mart Stores [WMT 53.255 0.065 (+0.12%) ], illustrating the extent of investor pessimism.

    "Risk aversion is so great right now that high quality U.S. common stocks are on sale," said Jack de Gan, chief investment officer at Harbor Advisory Corp in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.

    Thomson Reuters data shows that 72 percent of the S&P 500 components beat earnings expectations in the second quarter. Estimates updated Tuesday show full-year earnings growth is seen at 14.1 percent for 2012 — just 0.2 percentage point less than the estimate on July 1, and still higher than the 13.6 percent estimate on April 1.

    By sector, technology, financials and consumer discretionary shares are trading at valuations not far from their 10-year lows.

    "It shows an incredible drop in overall confidence, not only in financial markets but in the political environment," said Fred Dickson, chief market strategist at D.A. Davidson & Co in Lake Oswego, Oregon.

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    "Knowing we are going into a political election year (investors) haven't embraced what we would consider a decent, steady flow of good earnings."

    Apple shares are up 350 percent since the start of 2009, while the company's forward P/E ratio has fallen to 12.29, down from 15.52 in late November 2008. Apple is one of those companies whose share price is not keeping up with its rapid growth in earnings.

    Other companies on the list are not growing as rapidly. Wal-Mart has seen same-store sales fall every quarter for two years now. Hewlett-Packard [HPQ 26.23 0.20 (+0.77%) ], another Dow component on the list, is divesting its personal computer unit amid struggles, as well.

    But some of the names are stronger: The second-biggest U.S. bank by assets, JPMorgan, with its stock up more than 19 percent since the start of 2009, has seen its forward P/E decline to 6.63 from 9.44 in January 2008.

    "You have a company with a $200 billion market cap like some of these are, and to make that go up you need a lot of capital inflows," said Harbor Advisory's De Gan. "We've seen the P/E on some of these stocks basically decline for 10 years; at some point it becomes ridiculous."
    Originally posted by racrguy
    What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
    Originally posted by racrguy
    Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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    But, man... if you can pick some good bottoms on this shit, it might be an ultimate return! My asshole always puckers when these PE ratios start soaring or diving.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Denny View Post
      But, man... if you can pick some good bottoms on this shit, it might be an ultimate return! My asshole always puckers when these PE ratios start soaring or diving.
      Like IR, at $27.50? Yea, I know something about that!
      Originally posted by racrguy
      What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
      Originally posted by racrguy
      Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
        Like IR, at $27.50? Yea, I know something about that!
        I just coulnd't pull the trigger on that one and i'll be kicking myself for the next couple of years just like not buying ford at 4

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 03mustangdude View Post
          I just coulnd't pull the trigger on that one and i'll be kicking myself for the next couple of years just like not buying ford at 4
          A lot of people couldn't. Look at the volume around that time.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 03mustangdude View Post
            I just coulnd't pull the trigger on that one and i'll be kicking myself for the next couple of years just like not buying ford at 4
            It takes big brass balls to be able to step into the middle of that fear and buy while everyone else has loaded their pants up with shit. It isn't for gamblers, it is for people who know what value is and why something is selling for a price that just doesn't make any sense.
            Originally posted by racrguy
            What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
            Originally posted by racrguy
            Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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            • #7
              I read some comments on here of people watching IR so I started looking at it for about 2 or 3 weeks. I decided to buy some IR at 32.90. Same thing I always do, got caught up and bought too early. I kept watching it and bought the same amount at 27.60, dropped me down to 30.25 per share overall.

              I'm playing with very small amounts of money so I'm not gong to make much money at all, I'm really just trying to learn how to invest rather than gamble and time the market. When you guys (slow99, Denny, AlP) start talking it is usually way over my head but it really is interesting to read and try to learn from.
              "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."
              -Gerald Ford/Thomas Jefferson

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              • #8
                Stock market is a gamble.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by slow06 View Post
                  I read some comments on here of people watching IR so I started looking at it for about 2 or 3 weeks. I decided to buy some IR at 32.90. Same thing I always do, got caught up and bought too early. I kept watching it and bought the same amount at 27.60, dropped me down to 30.25 per share overall.

                  I'm playing with very small amounts of money so I'm not gong to make much money at all, I'm really just trying to learn how to invest rather than gamble and time the market. When you guys (slow99, Denny, AlP) start talking it is usually way over my head but it really is interesting to read and try to learn from.
                  I wouldn't listen to me for financial advice. Just like they say in Brooklyn:

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 03mustangdude View Post
                    Stock market is a gamble.
                    The stock market is never a sure thing, I didn't mean that I think I'm making a risk free investment.

                    Originally posted by Denny View Post
                    I wouldn't listen to me for financial advice. Just like they say in Brooklyn:
                    Tourettes Guy, man it has been a while since I have seen him. haha.

                    I take it all with a grain of salt. I mean it is the internet, but it is clear to me that several people on here know a lot more than I do about investing. I just read and try to glean little bits of information and ideas from all the bs. Im not staking anything I can't afford to loose.
                    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."
                    -Gerald Ford/Thomas Jefferson

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by slow06 View Post
                      I read some comments on here of people watching IR so I started looking at it for about 2 or 3 weeks. I decided to buy some IR at 32.90. Same thing I always do, got caught up and bought too early. I kept watching it and bought the same amount at 27.60, dropped me down to 30.25 per share overall.

                      I'm playing with very small amounts of money so I'm not gong to make much money at all, I'm really just trying to learn how to invest rather than gamble and time the market. When you guys (slow99, Denny, AlP) start talking it is usually way over my head but it really is interesting to read and try to learn from.
                      Timing the bottom or the top is tough. The first thing you have to do is realize that you aren't going to hit the mark in 90% of attempts. What a lot of people, including myself, do is wait until the shares you want hit a certain price and then spend a predetermined amount of your warchest, say 20 to 25% buying shares. Then wait and see if the shares go down further and invest another 20-25%. Rarely will you ever be able to allocate your entire warchest like this because the stock will probably rebound before you do. If you do spend it all then you can say without a doubt that you bought too early. I can't stress enough that you have to make sure and understand what you are buying and at what price you think it is a good buy. You probably shouldn't be buying things just because someone says so, not with any real amount of money anyway. It is good that you are only using small amounts to learn.

                      IR at $30.25 is a perfectly reasonable buy to me. I like it because book value is close to $25, return on equity is typically 10% or more in a given year and the stock makes wild swings because it is an industrial. The latest sell off was just because of bad timing, they missed earnings estimates by 10%. Not a big deal, they do it every once in a while. But they happened to miss them right when we had a crisis of confidence and during a sell off of their industry. That equals a big sell off. They lost around 43% of their market cap, that is ridiculous by any measure.
                      Originally posted by racrguy
                      What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                      Originally posted by racrguy
                      Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
                        Timing the bottom or the top is tough. The first thing you have to do is realize that you aren't going to hit the mark in 90% of attempts. What a lot of people, including myself, do is wait until the shares you want hit a certain price and then spend a predetermined amount of your warchest, say 20 to 25% buying shares. Then wait and see if the shares go down further and invest another 20-25%. Rarely will you ever be able to allocate your entire warchest like this because the stock will probably rebound before you do. If you do spend it all then you can say without a doubt that you bought too early. I can't stress enough that you have to make sure and understand what you are buying and at what price you think it is a good buy. You probably shouldn't be buying things just because someone says so, not with any real amount of money anyway. It is good that you are only using small amounts to learn.

                        IR at $30.25 is a perfectly reasonable buy to me. I like it because book value is close to $25, return on equity is typically 10% or more in a given year and the stock makes wild swings because it is an industrial. The latest sell off was just because of bad timing, they missed earnings estimates by 10%. Not a big deal, they do it every once in a while. But they happened to miss them right when we had a crisis of confidence and during a sell off of their industry. That equals a big sell off. They lost around 43% of their market cap, that is ridiculous by any measure.
                        I try to "time the market" as much as anybody else I guess, I want to buy at the best price I can, but I always leave enough in the account to buy more if it drops below a certain point (exactly like you said). I have made some bad first decisions but buying again when it drop has always bailed me out. I'm trying to learn to be patient, not get caught up in all the hype, but I just don't know enough to play it smart the way you guys do. It will take a lot more learning and studying before I can really make "smart" buys, right now i'm just getting lucky.

                        I read somewhere recently that you should buy a stock if you think the current price is a good price, not because you think it is going up. It may be just semantics, but I think that is a good point. Buy at a price you are ok with, don't buy just because you think it is going to go up.

                        My goal right now is to make enough to get all of my principal back out, and then maybe start working it harder. Right now I'm working with less than $2,000 and I only buy one stock at a time. I don't think I will actually take that principal out when the time comes though, I'm never going to make a significant amount of money owning $1,000 worth of anything.
                        "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."
                        -Gerald Ford/Thomas Jefferson

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 03mustangdude View Post
                          Stock market is a gamble.

                          only difference is it may come back to where it was. the craps table is less forgiving.

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                          • #14
                            Holla if yo shor-in on Friday!!!

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                            • #15
                              I'm glad the world is ending again today, I was beginning to think I wasn't going to be able to buy anything for a good price!

                              Honestly I thought the fact that we didn't lose jobs in August, with the credit downgrade and the debt ceiling bullshit, was a miracle!
                              Originally posted by racrguy
                              What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                              Originally posted by racrguy
                              Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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