Well that worked out well...

[Hobie]

welfare shouldnt exist. I'm all for supporting the disabled but beyond that no kind of benefits should exist other than for the military. They deserve it and they're such a tiny minority of the total population that no one would even notice the difference if that was all we paid for.

To me it should go like this:

"Are you disabled? Can you possibly work? Oh you had too many kids? Well that sounds like your own doing, and we're not responsible. Guess you better get two jobs then huh?"

My mother and I were on some sorts of public assistance after her and my father split. I'm not entirely sure what as I was young, but I know we had assistance for food and received gov't cheese.

She was 24 with a toddler, broke down car (one of those old GM "diesel" conversion Oldsmobiles), part-time job, and over 1000 miles from her family/hometown.

I had to live with my paternal grand parents for about 6 mos. while she got on her feet.

At first we had a 1 bedroom apartment with no living or dining furniture and no tv.

She was able to get a real job and before too long we had a 2 bedroom, she had a car, we had a couch, AND A TV! (she won off a radio contest, lol) Boom, fast forward a few decades and now we're both kick-ass, bada bing!

Sometimes really bad things happen to people, much worse than what we faced, and I don't think children should have to be marginalized for that in this society. However, I don't think people of able body & mind should be on perma-welfare.

[GSRGuy94]

This is the most ridiculous part of the entire story. Give me a break. Even a crackhead can't live on $134/mo.



If all they're getting is an AVERAGE of $134, then who is getting less? No one is getting less than that, it's not even worth the drive to cash the check for that little. That figure is obviously bullshit...

You can believe what you want. Those are the figures provided. It is assistance.

My mother and I were on some sorts of public assistance after her and my father split. I'm not entirely sure what as I was young, but I know we had assistance for food and received gov't cheese.

She was 24 with a toddler, broke down car (one of those old GM "diesel" conversion Oldsmobiles), part-time job, and over 1000 miles from her family/hometown.

I had to live with my paternal grand parents for about 6 mos. while she got on her feet.

At first we had a 1 bedroom apartment with no living or dining furniture and no tv.

She was able to get a real job and before too long we had a 2 bedroom, she had a car, we had a couch, AND A TV! (she won off a radio contest, lol) Boom, fast forward a few decades and now we're both kick-ass, bada bing!

Sometimes really bad things happen to people, much worse than what we faced, and I don't think children should have to be marginalized for that in this society. However, I don't think people of able body & mind should be on perma-welfare.

Agreed

[Slammy]

I have a hard time believing the failure rate isnt MUCH higher in certain areas

[SMEGMA STENCH]

I see this getting real expensive, real quick.

Then you don't see very clearly. You actually think that every person who is doing drugs is going to go try to pass? That isn't the thought process here. The thought process is that those low life scum won't even try. I've seen that many times. Most people won't try if they've been doing drugs. Especially not after they've failed once.

[GSRGuy94]

Yeah... a whole 2%

[ALLAN]

2.5% fail the test
2% don't show up for the test
applications are down 15%

[onemeangixxer7502]

welfare shouldnt exist. I'm all for supporting the disabled but beyond that no kind of benefits should exist other than for the military. They deserve it and they're such a tiny minority of the total population that no one would even notice the difference if that was all we paid for.

To me it should go like this:

"Are you disabled? Can you possibly work? Oh you had too many kids? Well that sounds like your own doing, and we're not responsible. Guess you better get two jobs then huh?"

x2, im with ya there. I think these fuckers with 6 kids should be cut off. If you can't afford them don't have them. Or regulate who can have kids. Fix the ones who can't afford it. Extending unemployment and welfare for lots just enables all the lazy fucks. More and more our society is being forced to pick up the tabs for worthless pieces of shit who don't deserve the air they breath. I also have no sympathy for the bleeding heart I have children things. Being dependent on someone in the first place is what landed people in that position. MY mother had me and my brother and was single, while my dad was a part of my life he kicked back no real child support to my mother. She busted her ass and paid the bills and I never went with out.

[46Tbird]

Welfare should only pay for up to two children.

I understand it would hurt some families, but frankly, that's not a problem I created, and not one I should have to pay for.

You can believe what you want. Those are the figures provided. It is assistance.

Of course the numbers are going to be all over the map based on whatever metrics the person wants to use to support their story. But c'mon... you don't really believe the average monthly payout is $134, right?

According to "Poverty Institute, "An Uneven Path - State Investments in Women's Economic Self Sufficiency" - per person cost of cash only" the average annual welfare benefit is $6018. That works out to $501/mo. And that's just the cash payout, not for debit cards, food stamps, etc.

http://www.goodwillri.org/images/Newsletter_August_2010.pdf

[Broncojohnny]

The numbers will be all over the place because the liberals don't mind telling bullshit stories to try to get their way. They've been doing it for decades.

[GSRGuy94]

You are absolutely right. Conservative Republicans never lie lol

[CJ]

You are absolutely right. Conservative Republicans never lie lol

This isn't a conservative flagship program, it's a liberal program. So yes, they will lie to defend it because it is in their common interest. Social programs are plagued with a history of mismanagement, misdirection, and inaccurate projections. Just look at Obamacare - originally it was projected to be this amazing cost savings - the moment they voted on it, suddenly the figures were updated and it's astronomically more expensive than our current system. Same thing. All parties lie, but when it comes to flagship programs you have to look at history.

[GSRGuy94]

Conservatives are the ones that implemented this program change, so let's see what the higher ups have to say about it.

[CJ]

Conservatives are the ones that implemented this program change, so let's see what the higher ups have to say about it.

you seem to have missed the point the previous person brought up, and I was defending. It's being reported by (and implemented by) the left, which has a vested interest in representing it as poorly as possible.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

You are absolutely right. Conservative Republicans never lie lol

So therefor, you're automatically right and and the libtards never lie, is that what you're saying? Why are you so pro-moocher? Are you saying that you approve of someone doing drugs on the hard working taxpayer's dime? I mean I'm just wondering. Like the other member said, applications are down 15%. There is your result right there. If we can save 15%, that is a start to being rid of these scum.

[GSRGuy94]

No I am not missing anything. But I am going to wait and hear both sides before I assume they are lying